I changed my mind. This response to the Anglin debate was my favorite.

Kek Vult
Man who is this Anglin dude? He’s sounds like a real gentleman and hes got a handsome voice. I really wanna check out his website!

Kek Vult
Man who is this Anglin dude? He’s sounds like a real gentleman and hes got a handsome voice. I really wanna check out his website!

It’s even more convincing when you post it twice, apparently. Alt-Retard may be giving these Stormpuppets too much credit. I’ve been hitherto fortunate in my near complete ignorance of them, but now that I’ve been made a little more familiar with the best that they have to offer, all I can conclude is that if the fate of the West depends upon them, we should all start learning Arabic and Chinese.

Debate: National Socialism II

DEBATE: Andrew Anglin vs Vox Day on National Socialism (Saturday 11 am NYC Time)

Listen live here.

So, that was slightly less of a clown show than I expected. Although it was the first debate I’ve seen that the moderator lost. One thing I thought was interesting was the way Anglin did not reveal his Google pageviews. Based on the difference between his pre-prepared statement and his ability to argue from it, I would guess that several people were involved in writing it.

He provided a few informative statements. I don’t recall them all, but I did note these:

  • “Nobody cares about the historical context of left and right.”
  • “Everything that Hitler did served to support the order of nature.”
  • “Liberalism was invented by Jews.”
  • “I have never commented on your blog.”
  • “Everywhere I look, behind every problem I have, I see hook nosed jews.”

In my opinion, the actual debate ended here:

AA: Understanding Right wing is preservation of the natural order through tradition. Left wing is the push for equality to override the natural order.
VD: NSADAP Munich Manifesto, Point 9. All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.

While the meta-debate ended here:

AA: Don’t be Vox Day, Don’t attack people on the same side as you.
VD: We’re not on the same side.

My favorite take: “It’s just bad PR for Vox Day, even if his rant was correct and Hitler was left wing, that has literally nothing to do with Andrew Anglin.”

True enough. I can’t argue with that.

The War Against Vox Day

The Stormpoopers are confident of victory… mostly:

A few choice quotes from topics elsewhere in this forum.

@Cornfed said in PSA: This Battle With Vox Gay Will Not End Anytime Soon:

There is no battle. Vox is a joke – the end.

@Ghett-O-Tarzan said in PSA: This Battle With Vox Gay Will Not End Anytime Soon:

I warned you guys months ago that Vox was trying to redefine the altright to suit him. All you big brained nibbas couldn’t see it and dismissed by warnings. I’m not worried though. Vox’s attempt to launch a coup will fail just as badly as gamergate did. Vox acts a lot like a Jew. And like most Jews he always overplays his hand and overestimates his own intelligence.

And so on and so forth. I’m here to tell you all, that despite the hilarious meltdown Vox Day is experiencing right now, you all are making that fatal mistake.

Never underestimate your enemy. And yes, as of now, Vox Day, someone I previously defended and had a lot of respect for, has proven himself to be my enemy. All he had to do was walk away. I’m pretty sure that even Milo didn’t give a fuck about Anglin or what happened. Milo’s book is still gonna be a bestseller with normies, alt-lite, and other plebs.

But what you all are missing is that this isn’t Cernovich 2.0. Vox has been victorious for almost his entire career. He didn’t win so much by being stupid.

If there’s anyone who can successfully bring a coup to the Alt-right, it would be Vox. I don’t say this to hype him up, I say this as someone who actually perceives a potential threat and wants you all to act serious and be ready to fight.

The War Against Vox Day will be a harder war than we’ve ever fought against SJWs and shitlibs. Vox is neither, which automatically makes him leagues above their level. We need to ensure that we have not grown soft in our victories against the cucks of National Review and the faggots of other leftoid rags.

Considering that they fought a war against Milo and Milo didn’t notice, I can’t say that I’m overly concerned. Besides, they have already failed Sun Tzu 101; they don’t know their enemy. Their war is not against me, but rather, the entire Evil Legion of Evil. I am merely a humble Dark Lord who happens to command the Legion with a magnanimous fist of iron.

I am a little curious about how I am supposed to have “overplayed my hand”, though. So far, I have a) challenged Andrew Anglin to the debate he and his followers were requesting, and b) actually, that’s pretty much it to date.

/pol/ is always right

It’s true that I am not going to destroy /pol/. First, because I am not stupid. The Evil Legion of Evil is formidable, but even as its Supreme Dark Lord, I know our limits. Of all the fights I could pick, /pol/ would rank somewhere between the U.S. Marine Corps and the Archangel Michael’s Heavenly host. Second, because, as has been mentioned, I love /pol/.

Third, because I am not seeking to harm Gab, I am merely seeking the identities of the Gab users who have publicly defamed me and subjected my wife to targeted harassment, and to ensure that both the defamation and the targeted harassment is permanently removed from Gab. Gab has elected to act as an obstacle to those objectives, as is its right, and that obstacle will be removed.

And fourth, why would I do that? I have literally no reason whatsoever to quarrel or quibble with /pol/.

Vox Day is going to destroy /pol/
Anonymous ID:N+3FXpK8 Thu 07 Sep 2017 13:50:49 No.140619686
After he is finished with Gab. You’ve been warned. The Evil Dark Lord of Evil does not warn a second time.

Anonymous ID:g/zfyCtd Thu 07 Sep 2017 13:52:30 No.140619779
Who the fuck is this faggot and why should I care?

Anonymous ID:27WWAXKr Thu 07 Sep 2017 14:51:02 No.140623347  Report
stop stirring up shit you stormfront troll. vox literally loves /pol/. quotes it frequently.

what he doesn’t like is nazi larpers who are more concerned with waving nazi flags in public for attention than they are saving the west.

the guy is literally the best thinking on the alt-right – better than anything the alt-reich has to offer (except for murdoch murdoch).


he’s been blogging since 2003. Not a lot of younger people know him. He’s a decent-ish fantasy writer, really good editor, excellent political and philosophical thinker.

he’s only recently started doing videos: would strongly suggest watching some or reading his blog:

Anonymous ID:ReqgpA+x Thu 07 Sep 2017 14:55:50 No.140623677
This. OP is fake, gay, and butthurt that VoxDay is going after Anglin. VoxDay never “went after” Gab. He’s not coming for /pol/ either. Vox literally said “/pol/ is always right just yesterday:

Anonymous ID:27WWAXKr Thu 07 Sep 2017 14:56:09 No.140623708
No he isn’t. He’s alt-right. The guy’s mantra is that ‘the alt-right is on the side of history, science, and truth. the alt-right is inevitable’.

Stop your low level disinfo, shill.

What he does say is that you nazi larpers are fake right. That nazism isn’t right wing and has no ideological place on the right. And that the people who cling the the nazi aesthetic are worse than useless.

Anonymous ID:4wxEMCF/ Thu 07 Sep 2017 15:03:12 No.140624154
Vox is so arrogant. He thinks Nazis are left wing and if you disagree with actual facts he calls you a retard and blocks you. Barely ever mentions the Jews. Is here even white? Spoiler: he’s not. Why do people like this guy again?

Anonymous ID:27WWAXKr Thu 07 Sep 2017 15:15:09 No.140624949
Vox is arrogant. If you think nazism is anyting other than a left wing ideology you are ignorant of history. If you hear spencer talk about pan-european government and being pro-eu and think he is right-wing, you are low iq.

No, he doesn’t talk about jews 100{dd3d589bd2c0f195b76ec1c32e7d55e03f6d27d61e2a6be2a684140499ab1b4f} of the time, deal with it. His opinion is that some of the people against the west are jews, some are not. focusing on one group and not the threat as a whole is ignorant.

>Why do people like this guy again?

Because he contributes a lot to alt-right thought, genuinely cares about its success, has no desire for leadership, has no desire for fame, wants to educate people, knows his shit.

I mean, after his initial point that nazism has no place in the right, contemporary or historical, greg johnson literally gave up. Seriously, gave up 10 minutes into a debate and refused to stay on topic. What do you think yellow fever anglin is going to do?

Anonymous ID:V56aYUdM Thu 07 Sep 2017 15:16:40 No.140625046
This. The stormfags are failures and always will be.

But it is informative, is it not, that the Daily Stormpoopers feel the need to cast about for allies now that the Legal Legion has been activated? Of course, they cannot be trusted, ever, since deceit is literally the core of their instruction manual. Lying, exaggerating their influence, and shitting on the carpet of every online abode that welcomes them is the full extent of their accomplishments.

Anyhow, in the event one ever finds oneself in a dispute with /pol/, this is the only correct response.

UPDATE: As per their style manual recommending deceit, the Daily Stormpoopers are citing this post as evidence that I am trying to drag /pol/ into it. Which, of course, is the precise opposite of what actually happened. And anyhow, the Legal Legion of Evil have this one under control.

Nazi = anti-white

One of the great ironies of the Alt-Reich is that they claim to be National Socialists, some “ironically”, some not so much, while also claiming that “saving the white race” is their primary goal. However, this is akin to ants claiming that dressing up as anteaters and eating other ants is the way to save the ant species.

First, Hitler thought more highly of both the Asians and the Arabs than he did of most non-German whites. Second, the National Socialists actually planned to murder a statistically significant percentage of the white race, around 20 percent of it.

Generalplan Ost was the name of the project, which was intended to slaughter white people. Specifically, about 60 percent of all the Russians, Estonians, Latvians, Czechs, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Poles, and Lithuanians were to be killed or “deported” to Western Siberia. The Nazis literally planned to murder tens of millions of white people, but were prevented from doing so by losing the war to the untermensch Russians and the mischling Americans.

The National Socialists planned to eliminate the Czechs. Like her.

From Infogalactic:

The Generalplan Ost, abbreviated GPO, was the Nazi German government’s plan for the genocide and ethnic cleansing on a vast scale, and colonization of Central and Eastern Europe by Germans. It was to be undertaken in territories occupied by Germany during World War II. The plan was partially realized during the war, resulting indirectly and directly in a very large number of deaths, but its full implementation was not considered practicable during the major military operations, and was prevented by Germany’s defeat.

The plan entailed the enslavement, expulsion, and mass murder of most Slavic peoples in Europe along with planned destruction of their nations, whom the ‘Aryan’ Nazis viewed as racially inferior.The programme operational guidelines were based on the policy of Lebensraum designed by Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party in fulfilment of the Drang nach Osten ideology of German expansionism. As such, it was intended to be a part of the New Order in Europe.

The Generalplan Ost proposal offered various percentages of the conquered or colonized people who were targeted for removal and physical destruction; the net effect of which would be to ensure that the conquered territories would become German. In ten years’ time, the plan effectively called for the extermination, expulsion, Germanization or enslavement of most or all East and West Slavs living behind the front lines of East-Central Europe. The “Small Plan” was to be put into practice as the Germans conquered the areas to the east of their pre-war borders. In this way the plan for Poland was drawn up at the end of November 1939 and is probably responsible for much of the World War II expulsion of Poles by Germany (first to colonial district of the General Government and, from 1942 also to Polenlager).

There is nothing “pro-white” about National Socialism of any kind. Indeed, in light of the results of the Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe, it is clear that Communism, for all its tremendous flaws, is in practice more objectively pro-white than National Socialism.

Which is why anyone who claims to be a Nazi is intrinsically and always anti-white. The German National Socialist Worker’s Party was German supremacist imperialism, and as such, should be opposed by anyone who agrees with the ideas laid out in the 16 Points of the Alternative Right. I know there are a number of young men who don’t know much about history, who are rightly concerned about the future of their people, but they need to learn their history, learn their culture, and realize that running around playing Fake Right Clown Nazi bantzing for the lulz will accomplish less than nothing in that regard.

Work out. Dress better. Get a job. Talk to a pretty girl. Read the Bible. Get married. Have children. Any one of those acts would be more genuinely revolutionary, and accomplish more towards saving the white race, than spending the next ten years Swastika Panty-larping.

More Fake Right in Charlottesville

A second “Unite the Right” individual has been identified as a former Occupy activist by the Knoxville News Sentinel:

Are we seeing a trend here? First Jason Kessler of ‘Unite the Right’ is revealed to have been involved in the Occupy movement and now another white nationalist has been discovered to have made the same political leap.

Knoxville News Sentinel reports:

Garon Archer, a native of Johnson City, was the protester on Aug. 26 who repeatedly screamed, “The Southern nation is a white nation.”

He said he came to last Saturday’s demonstration to represent the League of the South, an Alabama-based white supremacist group that has said it considers mainstream U.S. culture “corrupt” and is rebelling against the “politically correct” and multicultural diversity in the South.

Two weeks earlier, Archer was visible in “Democracy Now!” footage of the “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. Clad in a baseball helmet and holding a shield, he attacked a counter-protester. At a similar rally in New Orleans, he was recorded

The Knoxville News Sentinel has more:

But just a few years ago, Archer appeared in a 2012 YouTube video of an Occupy movement demonstration in Florida, protesting for the arrest of George Zimmerman, who fatally shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Florida. In the video, Archer – who was himself 17 at the time   – chants slogans against racism and burns a Confederate flag bandanna.

All these guys are Fake Right. This is one of the many reasons I encouraged people to actively police their organizations in SJWAL. Infiltration and disruption is one of their primary tactics.

No mercy for the Alt-Retards

I suggest you keep this in mind the next time you ask me to lay off the grunting, low-IQ left-wing trolls that make up the Alt-Reich.

Spacebunny isn’t the least bit fazed, of course, she’s been blowing off losers like this her entire life. But that’s the reality of what the Alt-Retard is. It’s not an accident either. Here is advice from the Anglin’s Style Guide.

Women should be attacked, but there should always be mention that if it wasn’t for the Jews, they would be acting normally.

So, you see, these nasty little creatures are not merely disgusting, they are strategically hopeless. They actively repulse women even when they aren’t openly trying to sexually harass them. As Nate and other Men of the West pointed out from the start, they are observably worse than useless.

Don’t bother trying to argue for them here. To quote Ivan Throne, your cries for mercy fall on deaf ears. VFM, he’s all yours if you can track him down. Send me the usual dossier when you have it.

On a not-entirely-unrelated note, Andrew Anglin claims that he’s going to show up for the debate at 11 AM Eastern on Saturday. Tara has yet to confirm that works for her, but I have agreed to it. I was merely planning to beat him before. Now, I’m motivated to actually do some preparation for it.

UPDATE: The post was deleted and the account was suspended. Which changes nothing.

UPDATE: Tara McCarthy announces the debate: Join us for a LIVE debate between @AndrewAnglin and @voxday on National Socialism and the Alt Right at Saturday 11 am Eastern time.

The “Andrew Anglin” style guide

As I correctly observed from their various writing styles, there are multiple “Andrew Anglins” who are presently running from their scheduled debate with me tonight. This style guide was sent by a former ghostwriter for the Daily Stormer. It is quite long, complete with lists of acceptable slurs and swear words and unacceptable ones, so I’ve just posted some of the sections that I found to be particularly informative.

The funniest thing, at least for this GamerGater, was learning that the model for the Daily Stormer is Gawker. How very appropriate. This version was clearly written in 2016, sometime before Donald Trump’s election but after he secured the Republican nomination.

To quote the email, “You are right that many people post under ‘Andrew Anglin.’”

This is the Anglin’s style guide,


The byline is entered manually. It should be entered thusly at the top of the page:

    Andrew Anglin
    Daily Stormer
    Month Day, Year

Article Body

There should always be a header image at the top of an article. A YouTube clip can also fill this spot.

The basic format should usually be:

    A bit of commentary
    Quote from mainstream news source
    A bit more commentary

You can also break up the quote from the mainstream source and interject commentary. You can use multiple sources.

Quote Method

There is almost never a need to completely rewrite a story. It is legal under fair use laws to quote large parts of an article, as long as you don’t quote the whole thing, and you can use this to get the basic facts of the story stated, rather than just retyping them.

There are several reasons I have settled on this model. Initially, I tried rewriting stories, but found that this was time consuming and pointless. I’ve also realized that the quote system serves to break-up the text in a way that is appealing to the ADHD demographic we are targeting. Moreover, being able to see the mainstream source quoted allows us to co-opt the perceived authority of the mainstream media, and not look like one of these sites we are all probably familiar with where you are never certain if what they are saying has been confirmed.

The site is in many ways modeled of of successful liberal blogs such as Gawker. They have produced a successful method to appeal to the same age demographic we want to appeal to.

As a side, the contrast between the mainstream writing style and our own humorous, snarky style can be funny.

It’s surprisingly well-structured, and in some ways, is more informative than the AP style manual. However, the nastiness, the shamelessness, and the intrinsic dishonesty that I find so contemptible about the Anglins shines through.

Prime Directive: Always Blame the Jews for Everything

As Hitler says in Mein Kampf, people will become confused and disheartened if they feel there are multiple enemies. As such, all enemies should be combined into one enemy, which is the Jews. This is pretty much objectively true anyway, but we want to leave out any and all nuance.

So no blaming Enlightenment though, pathological altruism, technology/urbanization, etc. – just blame Jews for everything.

This basically includes blaming Jews for the behavior of other non-Whites. Of course it should not be that they are innocent, but the message should always be that if we didn’t have the Jews we could figure out how to deal with non-Whites very easily.

The same deal with women. Women should be attacked, but there should always be mention that if it wasn’t for the Jews, they would be acting normally.

What should be completely avoided is the sometimes mentioned idea that “even if we got rid of the Jews we would still have all these other problems.” The Jews should always be the beginning and the end of every problem, from poverty to poor family dynamics to war to the destruction of the rainforest….

The way they always talk about the Daily Stormer being “the biggest Alt-Right site” is not an accident. Also, it’s almost certainly not true. These guys inflate their statistics and exaggerate their popularity and influence to an extent that almost rivals John Scalzi. If you notice, I have nearly three times more followers on Gab than Anglin, 19,209 compared to 7,517, probably because it is much harder to create fake accounts and buy followers on Gab than on Twitter.  I expect that they have been manipulating the Alexa rankings in the way I have demonstrated can be done with as few as 30 people. And the repetitive talk about “how much he’s done” and how “super interesting he is” is just more of this constantly self-inflating, self-marketing puffery.


We are covering very negative content, generally, but still as much effort as possible should be put into presenting a positive message. We should always claim we are winning, and should celebrate any wins with extreme exaggeration.

This does not mean we downplay the enemy, just that we play up ourselves. We overestimate our influence.

No wonder they cucked and ran; the lead Anglin belatedly realized there was no way he was going to be able to claim he’d won after a debate with me. This also explains why a few of his followers, who may be Anglin ghostwriters themselves, have been falsely claiming that I was the one who ran away, not the Anglins.

Tyler Bourbon @AureliuSS
I can’t believe believr @voxday cucked out on the debate! Sad!

And lest you think that the Anglins are just performance art, as I pointed out, they are playing the Jon Stewart game of “kidding, not kidding… wait, I’m just a clown” in order to preemptively fend off merited criticism.

I will say that probably my greatest mistake with this site was condemning Dylan Roof. In my own defense, I was pretty pissed off. Because there were a lot of places where he could have shot young adult nigger males engaged in something other than prayer. Still, I should have simply suggested that (which I did do) without saying “I condemn.”

Finally, notice that the Anglins merit zero sympathy for being kicked off Cloudflare, as their principle of celebrating people as secret Nazis is precisely what got them into trouble there.

No Criticism of Other White Activists

This goes without saying but I’ll say it anyway: there should never be any criticism of other white activists, even faggots we all fucking hate.

There is nothing profitable which can come of this. And this is the biggest site, so by attacking others who are wrong all we would be doing is giving them attention they wouldn’t otherwise have gotten.

Responding to the bullshit of RamZPaul was a mistake I made which I won’t make again.

In general, other white activists should be praised as heroes or by mentioned at all. I think we all probably know who is who as far as all that goes.

Note that this doesn’t necessarily apply to all mainstream right wing figures such as Marine Le Pen.

Attacking Mainstreaming Shills

Pro-Jew shills should be attacked. These include Alex Jones, Gavin McInnes and Milo. At the same time, they should also be accused/celebrated as secret Nazis whenever they post anything that lines up with our agenda.

No debate tomorrow

Oh dear. I am informed that Andrew Anglin will not be showing up for our debate tomorrow. Quelle surprise.

I don’t know if he’s running or if he intends to reschedule. Perhaps he just needs more time to actually learn about the history of the Third Reich.

Taking down the Fake Right

On Wednesday, September 6th at 7 PM Eastern, I’m going to be debating Andrew Anglin, the Fake Right phony behind the Daily Stormer, on whether National Socialism is of the ideological Right or Left.

One of the various Anglins had been repeatedly crying about being shut out of the chat when I debated Greg Johnson on the same subject, so, being the kindest of Dark Lords, I graciously decided to give Mr. Anglin the opportunity to do the same. He accepted, despite many of his fans claiming that he was too busy, or too important, to do so.

Tara McCarthy will host and a similar format will be utilized. Since I have already made a public case with which at least one Anglin is familiar, he will have the opportunity to go first.

These Fake Right individuals are nothing more than attention-seekers trying to utilize the Jon Stewart strategy of hiding behind their clownishness whenever they are called out. They erroneously believe their popularity will protect them, and fail to recognize that their much-cherished “brands” are of no interest or importance to those who are only interested in the truth and philosophical coherence.

To paraphrase the man himself, Andrew Anglin is just a crybaby who can’t take the heat. He asked for it and it serves him right. He didn’t understand how the interwebs worked and he paid the price.

Some of the more interesting responses to my offer of a debate. It is more evidence of Vox’s First Law in action. What I find particularly amusing is the way the Swastika Parrots so often regurgitate certain terms in a manner that indicates they have no grasp of what the words they are using actually mean.

Will To Power@ImperivmEvropa
You aren’t even white, faggot. You don’t have a say in our movement. Go shill somewhere else.

American Nationalist@American_Nationalist
My only response is you guys are in for a rude awakening. I’ve tried debating VD anonymously about this exact subject. He responded, came after me hard, and I did better than Greg Johnson, but nowhere near close to victory. Anglin has no chance. None of you guys do.

Clayton Elmy@Cledun
Your retard Glenn Beck political spectrum is the failed branding. No one gives a fuck about that shit but retarded boomers. All the young smart kids who you think you can capture will see through your empty arguments and see ours are superior. They will come to us because the truth belongs to us.

Calling them out, indeed. This should be done any time the political Right gathers in public. Let the Nazis that show up know that they are not, never have been, and never will be part of the Alt-Right (or any part of the American Right). They need to be publicly ridiculed and cast away.

Tom Tomo@Tomo
Lol. Dude, all you do is backstab people on the right.

Nobody wants to buy you’re cucked book on Amazon. Fuck off and attach yourself to the next big thing and move on.

Skout Icus@Iamscouticus
Yep. @voxday isn’t nearly as sharp as he LARPs, or he’d be more self-aware. Everybody but him sees what a sad lil sack he is- motivated by envy in the SF scene, and here. He whines about John Scalzi, George RR Martin, and Anglin, because they’re all more successful than him.

Niccolo Machiavelli@theprince

I don’t think this is a good idea. It’s just a cerebral version of punching a Nazi.

Fabius Maximus@Fabian_Nazism
WOW You are worse than the enemy. You and all those like you are getting sifted.

Lee Rogers@infostormer
Interesting that this @voxday character posts all sorts of insane ramblings and lies to counter signal @AndrewAnglin and the Daily Stormer right in the midst of today’s Gab controversy. He’s either nuts, intentionally trying to misdirect people’s attention, or both. You pick!

Have you tried being a less dissatisfying failure? Maybe the problem isn’t them, if there are so many dissatisfied conservatives for them to market a Fake-Right-That-Wins to. Perhaps the problem is you.