What do you want to know?

Mr. Farah is going to be interviewing me about The Irrational Atheist for WND, and like all editors, he’s happy to offload the actual work on others. He has some specific questions for me already, but since he knows that “the people who read your blog probably have a few questions too”, he’s willing to ask some of them on behalf of the readership for publication on WND.

So, fire away in the comments, Mr. Farah will pick a few of them and I’ll answer those. They should be straightforward questions about something specific and directly related to the book, he’s not going to be selecting any statements in the guise of convoluted questions or questions about tangential issues.

Speaking of WND, you can now buy The Irrational Atheist there from the WND store. Mr. Farah, who was one of the first to read the book, even put in a nice word for it himself there.


Dawkins.net comes out to play

Somebody’s in for a little surprise:

This is from the Amazon blurb. I am quaking in my boots at the prospect of all my rationally conceived arguments being unravelled by the power of Day’s rigorously documented arguments.
– Mr Embiggen on richarddawkins.net

All of YOUR rationally conceived arguments, Mr Embiggen? And here I thought I was criticizing the arguments of Richard Dawkins and four other gentlemen whilst writing The Irrational Atheist. This leaves us with three reasonable possibilities:

1. Mr Embiggen is a pseudonym for either Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens or Daniel Dennett. (I don’t think Michel Onfray speaks English; in any case, Onfray’s sentence structure is rather Romantic and recognizable even in translation.) Given Mr Embiggen’s demonstrated ability to commit logical incoherence in a single sentence, it could only be Sam Harris.

2. Contrary to their oft-expressed opinion, atheists do not think rationally for themselves, but merely echo the arguments of various authorities selected on an emotional, irrational basis.

3. Despite the astronomical odds against such a massive improbability taking place, Mr Embiggen happens to have independently reasoned his way to precisely the same rational conclusions regarding life, the universes and everything separately reached by Richard Dawkins. Because you know, if there are a billion arguments and a billion billion people, then – check this out – there are BILLION people making the EXACT SAME ARGUMENTS.

Damn, but they make it easy, don’t they?


Killing snakes with a shovel

Farmeruminations reviews The Irrational Atheist:

I have read several works of Christian apologetics, The Case for Christ by Lee Stobel, I Don’t Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist by Norman Gisler, Evidence that Demands a Verdict by Josh McDowell, and others. This book is nothing like those. This book is an attack on atheism/Godlessness using reason, logic and facts, the very things that the UnHoly Trinity claim to love. The results are not pretty. Harris in particular, but all three are made to appear as ignorant fools. This should be no surprise to the Believer, since we already know that, ”the fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.”

I’ve heard Christian friends and leaders say that it’s not possible to use reason, logic and facts to show the existence of God. While this may be true, Vox does an absolute masterful job of using those three things to eviscerate the arguments of D, H and H….

A few disclaimers. Vox writes with a slash and burn style. A take no prisoners, blow them up and leave a smoking hole mentality. Some in the Christian community are going to be offended by this approach. I would remind them that our Lord said some rather harsh things to say to some of His critics. You don’t call someone a “generation of vipers”, “whited sepulchres”, and “fools” without having your targets tend to react unfavorably to these terms. Vox does not treat D, H and H with kid gloves. It’s an in your face, put up or shut up, throw down.

Just so you know that I’m not only inclined to post the favorable bits, here’s some criticism we can only assume comes from the Divine Puppet Master Himself via the Responsible Puppet:

I must say I’m a bit torn on this one. But the tear doesn’t go down the middle of the page; the Good piece is bigger than the Bad. And the Bad I think will come as no surprise to Vox and regular Puppet or Vox readers. So let’s start with the Bad and get it over with, shall we?

They are three.

1. As I have been involved in creative endeavors of late, I am learning something that perhaps most artists/authors/developers already know – Art requires sacrifice. Except for the extremely talented, artists need to choose one good over another in their creative process. So for example, a painter who wants to go for a more impressionistic piece sacrifices realism. A movie director who is going for a stark feel will hesitate to show the beauty inherent in their subject matter. A poet will choose a rhyming word over the word that makes more coherent sense. This is the way it must be. You can’t do everything. I understand this.

Okay, here goes: I disagree with a significant sacrifice that Vox made while writing this book – In some sections, he chose style and tone and sacrificed showing a Christ-like attitude. To be fair, this choice doesn’t show itself that often, but where they are apparent, it is pretty significant…. The most notable example of this is the very first sentence of the first paragraph in chapter one.

As you can probably tell, our debate on omniderigence is merely postponed, it’s not at all forgotten…. What you can’t know is how much help TRP provided me in writing TIA; his collected comments and criticisms on each and every chapter would nearly make up a book of their own. I very much appreciate both the time and effort he put into it as well as his attention to detail; I am fortunate indeed to have such a dedicated and intelligent critic. The one thing he appears to have uncharacteristically failed to note, however, is that I not only addressed all of the Unholy Trinity’s strongest arguments, I was careful to address the arguments that the men themselves – particularly Richard Dawkins – explicitly stated are the central arguments of their respective books.

But given the glaring weaknesses of those arguments, it’s very easy to understand how an intelligent man who hasn’t read those books could find it difficult to believe that the arguments I refuted so easily really were the best on offer. Contra TRP’s impression, I didn’t make the “targeted authors look like fools”, the simple truth is that they did it for me. I merely shined a light here and there in order to point out the obvious.

Do you see?


Eyewitness to a suicide

A lot of people forget that Joseph Farah was once a serious, card-carrying member of the mainstream media, so he knows very well whereof he speaks:

While Simon and most of our colleagues like to reflect on the post-Watergate era as heralding a renaissance in good journalism, I can tell you as an eyewitness just the opposite was true.

Where we went wrong was thinking of ourselves as high priests of a new secular religion that was going to save the world. That was never the mission of American journalism. The free press has a vital role in a free society, but it is not to create a “glorious new church.” It is simply to serve as a watchdog on government and other powerful institutions, to keep them in check, to be the eyes and ears of the people, to expose corruption, fraud, waste and abuse where it is found.

I can’t help but noting that once more, there’s a theme of “a new secular religion” that keeps popping up again and again. Why, it’s almost as if there’s a feeling that there’s some strange sort of void that must needs be filled!


McCain on the brain

I mentioned McCensorship in my column today but that strikes me as too abstract and shockingly devoid of my characteristic cruelty in assigning appellations. Zeno suggests “John Insane”, but to be fair to Sen. McCain, the only significant insanity I see is on the part of the Republican Party for giving him serious consideration as a presidential candidate. Although one does have to wonder what on Earth the good people of Arizona are thinking in repeatedly inflicting him upon the rest of the nation as their representative in the U.S. Senate.

Personally, I don’t think it matters much as he’ll probably be out of the picture before long, but in the event that he’s going to stick around through November, I’m leaning towards McManiac. Got any better ideas – ideas that are printable?

UPATE – I am always amused by this response to my columns: who the hell is vox day and why should anyone care what it thinks. Yes, for how can we possibly think without the properly authorized authorities to inform us exactly what we should be thinking? You know, I too have a dream. I have a dream that one day, an idea will be judged upon the content of its substance, not the character of the individual who happened to mention it.


TIA review aka Atheism in Action

There’s little more amusing than an atheist, specifically an atheist who repeatedly insists that atheists can too be just as moral as religious individuals, dishonestly attempting to pass off a review of a four-year old column as a review of my forthcoming book of the same name. I’m not surprised that Socrates’ Elegy doesn’t intend to read The Irrational Atheist, it’s pretty clear that he hasn’t read much by Dawkins, Harris, or Hitchens either. One hopes not, anyhow, because he hasn’t remembered much of it, let alone understood any of it, if he has.

Vox Day published an essay, The Irrational Atheist, on which I would like to give some feedback. Actually, I was asked to give my take on Day’s forthcoming book of the same title by Pink Kitty in a comment at MCB. After digesting this essay, I doubt that I will be reading his book.

Jonah Goldberg’s more superficial critics judge his book by its cover. That’s ridiculous, but they’re light years ahead of SE, who seriously attempts to judge a 320-page book by a single 750-word op/ed column! Nice trick; it certainly would have saved me a lot of reading if I had applied the same standard in judging The God Delusion, Unweaving the Rainbow, The End of Faith, Consciousness Explained and about a dozen other books. Of course, I would have leaped to massive errors such as concluding that Sam Harris is a pro-Inquisition Catholic because of his article “In Defense of Torture”. And remember, this guy sincerely thinks that he is the smart and rational one!

Also, Mr. Day is not enhancing his credibility by referring to himself as a “forensic atheologist”, which he does in his blog description. Whatever.

Perhaps. Of course, it’s arguably rather less credibility-destroying than a) not reading what you’re supposed to be critiquing, and, b) failing to understand what little you have read. In fact, I’d argue that I could call myself Pretty Princess Pooyan and still retain infinitely more intellectual credibility than the fragments possessed by what passes for an intellect here.

Mr. Day begins, The idea that he is a devotee of reason seeing through the outdated superstitions of other, lesser beings is the foremost conceit of the proud atheist.

O.K., Mr. Day is entitled to his opinion. But this opening statement is not supported by the argument presented in the essay, which is that religion is beneficial and necessary to civilization, therefore atheism is incorrect. He presents no argument that atheism is inherently erroneous. So I am not going to bestow any merit on his accusation of conceit. In addition, maligning those that refuse to accept that there is an omnipotent extra-natural entity that is directly invested in human affairs without providing some tangible evidence as justification is in itself an act of unmitigated hubris.

Unsurprisingly, given his pitiable start, SE fails to grasp the salient point of the column. I presented no argument that “atheism is inherently erroneous” in it because I was not arguing that “atheism is incorrect”. (I don’t argue this in the book either, for that matter.) “Most atheists are irrational” != “atheism is incorrect”; it is perfectly possible for one to reach a correct conclusion by an irrational path, in fact, both science and casual observation indicate that this is how most people reach most conclusions most of the time. As I argue in the book, Man is a rationalizing creature, not a rational animal. Ironically, this is precisely the sort of rationalization one could logically expect from an atheist who is irrational enough to believe that “rationalism is virtuous”.

As for atheist conceit, there is not exactly a shortage of empirical evidence. I refer him to Gary Wolf’s Wired article on the New Atheists, or really, just about any atheist blog. Moreover, if we accept for the sake of argument his ridiculous statement that making a baseless assertion is, in itself an “act of unmitigated hubris”, he proves my point, at least with regards to his own atheist conceit.

Mr. Day goes on, That they also paved the way for the murderous excesses of the French Revolution and many other massacres in the name of human progress is usually considered an unfortunate coincidence by their philosophical descendants.

Even if that is true, “paved the way” is not synonymous with “were responsible for”. Rejecting the divine right of royalty also paved the way for the American Revolution. Can I infer that Mr. Day is advocating for divine right to be reinstated? That would be an unlikely position for a professed libertarian.

No, and it would have been difficult for Meslier, Diderot, Rousseau, and Voltaire, etc, to be directly responsible for la Grande Terreur, being dead for at least five years and all. I’m pleased to learn that unlike so many of his fellow atheists, SE doesn’t hold today’s Christians responsible for the acts of a Pope or pair of Spanish sovereigns dead for five centuries. And yes, a libertarian would be a most unlikely advocate for “divine right”, (I think he must mean “the divine right of kings”), which is why it would be incredibly stupid to infer that I am an advocate of its reinstatement. But given his performance thus far, I see no reason why SE should let that stop him.

The phrase “many other massacres” is not supported by any references. Mr. Day invites the reader to use his imagination to fill in the blanks. By saying, Without God, there is only the left-hand path of the philosopher. It leads invariably to Hell, by way of the guillotine, the gulag and the gas chamber. one can infer that he is adding Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia to the French Revolution. However, Mr. Day gives no evidence that atheism was actually the cause of any atrocities related to those regimes. He merely invites the reader to make that assumption. For example, The Nazi regime was arguably for all intents and purposes Roman Catholic.

There are no references in the column, there are many in the book. SE doesn’t seem to understand that one is not obligated to prove anything in an opinion column, mostly because there isn’t space for it. True, one could reasonably infer Nazi Germany, but incorrectly, as it is actually a reference to the gas chambers of atheist North Korea. If he’d read the book, he’d know that, as well as know about the direct link between atheism and dozens of historical atrocities. Furthermore, the Nazi regime was verifiably less Roman Catholic than the New Atheism is Anglican, obviously SE doesn’t judge Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens by the same standard he judges Adolf Hitler. SE obviously fails to understand how the very existence of the Reichskonkordat proves that Nazi Germany was not Catholic in any way; there is far more conclusive documentary evidence in the book as well.

The advent of technology and advances in fields such as medicine is more than sufficient evidence for a reasonable person, even one with the least science education, to infer that by-and-large scientists know what they are talking about and that their interpretation of the natural order is credible. Yes, scientists do sometimes draw different conclusions, and theories are constantly revised as more evidence is discovered. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t work. If you are reading this using a computer, you have all the evidence you need. Bear in mind that science does not claim absolute certainty.

This is one of the otherwise reasonable Daniel Dennett’s more foolish arguments, which I openly deride in the book. In Dennett’s fo
rm, it states that because physicists know what they’re talking about and possess conceptual models that are precise to an incredible degree, we should accept at face value everything that biologists and sociologists say even though their conceptual models are horrendously inaccurate to the point of uselessness. It’s a transitive nonsense no more convincing in SE’s words than in Dennett’s.

Mr. Day continues, Whereas Christians and the faithful of other religions have good reason for attempting to live by the Golden Rule – they are commanded to do so – the atheist does not.

This is an unsupported assumption. The atheist has at least one good ethical motivation: self-interest in the preservation of civilization. Acting on this an atheist has at his disposal our common humanity: the body of knowledge we draw upon to establish codes of conduct, points of order, and define the rights and responsibilities we as citizens must observe in order to maintain civilization. While religion attempts to encompass some of this, albeit in a haphazard, dangerously inconsistent manner; the concept of common humanity transcends religious morality in that it is not exclusionary. Also, the atheist is never tempted to “play God” by claiming to speak for him.

Is he seriously attempting to argue that Christians are not commanded to “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”? SE is hung up on the same concept that so eludes Christopher Hitchens, since there are as many atheisms as there are atheists, there is no universal standard – warrant, if you will – that one atheist can apply to another. Sans moral parasitism, an atheist cannot be moral or immoral except by self-fiat, hence he is fundamentally amoral in the eyes of everyone else, including other atheists. Philosophy is hard!

Mr. Day argues, Still, even the most admirable of atheists is nothing more than a moral parasite, living his life based on borrowed ethics. This is why, when pressed, the atheist will often attempt to hide his lack of conviction in his own beliefs behind some poorly formulated utilitarianism, or argue that he acts out of altruistic self-interest. But this is only post-facto rationalization, not reason or rational behavior.

This assertion is debatable, to put it charitably. If Mr. Day wants to throw out “poorly formulated utilitarianism” it would be more convincing if he were to cite at least one example. Also, the implication that religion is necessarily the source of human morality is misleading. The Golden Rule antedates Christianity, and every major existing religion as well. Religion may be a convenient “delivery mechanism”, with its “do this or else” mantra. But is it really all that effective?

If SE had read the book, or even the New Atheist books, then he’d know the chief examples of “poorly formulated utilitarianism” is Sam Harris’s suffering/happiness ethic. He’d also know that the Golden Rule is not the base of Christian morality or most other religious moralities, it is merely an ad hoc measure for applying the morality, not to be confused with the morality itself. And he’d also know that compared to the alternatives, as practical philosophers from Seneca and Voltaire to Daniel Dennett have readily admitted, religion appears to be the only thing that is effective.

In case you’re interested in knowing what someone who has actually read the book has to say about it, SingleMind has taken a page from Bane and completed the first three parts of his multi-faceted review:

While I could spent lots of time discussing the fine points he made, The Irrational Atheist is perhaps a great handbook of examples for how to think and reason critically. Here are some key takeaways that Christians and non-Christians alike can appreciate:

* Always look for evidence. Reason without evidence is just untested hypothesis at best and gratuitous speculation at worst. Asserted as authoritative without results, it is misrepresentation. Done deliberately, it is fraud.
* Always look at the details.
* Never trust something just because it is repeated in academic circles.
* Be honest about what you find.
* Always ask the question, “Compared to what?”


A massive success

Thank you very, very much, everyone who participated in the TIA surge. I truly appreciate both your personal support for me and your confidence in the book. The surge was EXTREMELY successful, as our ambitious objective was to achieve a Top 100 rank overall and #2 in Atheism. (We knew it would be nearly impossible to catch the newly released paperback version of The God Delusion with a hardcover… and yet we almost did!)

The final result? #63 overall, #2 in Atheism, #4 in Religion, #28 in Hot New Releases and what was the biggest leap in 36 hours by any book sold by Amazon. (It worked out to the third-biggest leap in the last 24 hours because of a few early orders.) To put this in perspective, someone at the publisher was so pleased that she emailed me when the book reached #20,000 late last week. The strong level of support that you have shown will give them a great deal of confidence in the ultimate success of the book… and the next one.

Since you bought out Amazon’s entire stock and then some, it will be a few days before many of you get your books. I’m eager to learn what you think of it, and I hope everyone who reads it will consider reviewing it, either on their blog or on Amazon. If you do write one, let me know where you’ve posted it and I’ll be delighted to provide a link to it.

So thanks again, and congratulations on a job well done. It was a remarkable performance and I feel privileged to have been able to be a part of it.


Conference Championship Day

It occurs to me that there happen to be a pair of football games that are of no small interest to many here. This would be the place to discuss it. I don’t think the Patriots are going to have any trouble at all with the Chargers – forget Tom Brady vs the legendary Billy Volek, we’re talking Norv Turner vs Bill Belicheat – and I expect Ryan Grant to slow down the ferocious New York Giants rush just enough to let the Packers hold their own on the Frozen Tundra.

Assuming, of course, that he hangs onto the ball. Besides, who doesn’t want to see a Packers-Patriots Super Bowl, with the beloved old gunslinger riding off into the sunset with a stunning upset over an undefeated team? Not, of course, that we would ever buy into that crazy conspiracy theory mindset….


Advertising TIA

You know, a little radio advertising for TIA just might be a good idea:

Remember—every Sunday at 9am, you Minnesotans (and clever others) can listen to the Minnesota Atheists radio program on Air America. Tune in tomorrow — it’s especially important since I’ve heard that Air America has actually already lost one advertiser because they had the gall to actually allow atheists to broadcast on their show. We’ll have to demonstrate that the program can get a strong audience, so listen in, call in, and if you have a business that you advertise on the radio, think about buying some time on the show.

By the way, this seems as good a time as any to let you know that I will be debating Kelly of the Rational Response Squad via our blogs once she finishes reading TIA.

UPDATE 0500 – Jaime goes offline and TIA promptly drops one spot to 77. Coincidence… or is the peak already in? We shall see. Dawkins still holding firm at 50.

UPDATE 1300 – A new peak at 66! But Dawkins hangs on at 49….


TIA Surge – Harris, Hitchens down

Now there’s only Dawkins to catch… the rank still isn’t displaying on TIA’s own page for whatever reason, but it now holds the #2 spot in Atheism behind Dawkins and the #5 spot in Spirituality behind Joel Osteen, which indicates that The Irrational Atheist has hit the top 100. The surge continues until 9 PM tonight, but it’s already been entirely successful. Thanks very much to everyone who participated already!

UPDATE 0300 – The Mad Aussie had the bright notion to scroll manually through the Amazon bestsellers and can confirm that TIA is at #94 and climbing…. no, make that #81. Richard Dawkins and The God Delusion now in the crosshairs at #50….

UPDATE 0400 – Spacebunny reports #76. It appears at this point that movement at these lofty heights averages out to two spots per book ordered, so it’ll probably take 15 more copies ordered to catch Dawkins at 50 and take #1 in Atheism. Also, just passed Osteen to move up to #4 in “Religion and Spirituality”.