Not as pure as the driven snow

My innocence is crushed like a beautiful unicorn being harpooned by a Norwegian whale gun:

I think we scientists can shift the focus here all we want and blame the funding situation or public perception. But in the end, we are the ones largely to blame for doing poor jobs at explaining our work to the public and for not having good leadership showing how important basic science is. The fact is, basic science needs to be promoted more and more to the public. Instead, we take the easy way out and unfortunately lie about the applied aspects of our work.

As incredible as it may seem to the horror-stricken evolutionist, I’m actually a pretty big fan of non-applied science; I just dislike scientists and their all-too-common idea, inherited from the philosophers, that the world would be a better place if everyone else would just shut up and let them run it.

But this sort of thing is why those who insist that the noble and sacred profession is above all reproach tend to make me laugh. And you’d think they’d realize that having people like Dr. Myers running around and shouting at everyone about how stupid they are for not sharing his belief in evolution and his lack of belief in God isn’t exactly the best advertisement for science or scientists, especially not in the eyes of those stupid people who are taxed to pay for his salary.


Oh, for Darwin’s sake

Billy offers an amusing treatise on how to deal with my poor arguments. Sadly, he makes a demonstrably false accusation here:

Watch out for use of technical language in the same posts where he blathers on about how he’s a layman and hasn’t read much about this. He’s covering the fact that a) he’s read more than he says, but wants to make it look as if he’s just smart, and b) he doesn’t know as much as he needs to.

I have read the following books dealing with evolution in some capacity: The Selfish Gene, Unweaving the Rainbow, A Devil’s Chaplain, Darwin’s Dangerous Idea, and Freedom Evolves, all of them in the last six months. I own and have read parts of Marc Hauser’s Moral Minds and John Maynard Smith’s Evolution and the Theory of Games; I have also read Consciousness Explained although I’m not sure that really applies here. As to whether that makes me an expert on the subject, I leave it up to the evolutionists.

I have also read three or four pages at Talk Origins starting with Theobald’s 29 proofs for Macroevolution page, plus the one page on morphological rates written by the guy criticizing him. Whatever technical language I use is simply stuff I’m picking up from you all, either in Internet posts or stuff that makes the news. It’s not like it’s that hard to figure out what the jargon means given the context, and it takes about two seconds to look it up even when you can’t.

Perhaps I don’t know as much as I need to… that’s one of the things Scott and I were curious about. Scott already knows I’m not an idiot, but it’s certainly amusing to see how his fellow evolutionists are willing to invent new theories in order to cling to their belief that anyone who is more intelligent than they are absolutely must think as they do. Ah, my dear rational empiricists, how quickly you forget that observation trumps logic!

But why are you all so insecure? Seriously, is it your own occasional doubts that trouble you so or have you evolved into herd animals?


It has begun #2

Scott, always more civil towards skeptics than most of his fellow evolutionists, replies on Monkey Trials:

PZ thinks Vox’s argument is, well, phony. He claims that Vox has lifted a remark from Gingerich as to the amount of generations it might take to evolve an elephant from a mouse (Vox didn’t specify sources in his original post), and he thinks that the argument depends upon a distorted understanding of how biologists measure rates of evolution. Whatever one thinks of this argument, I have to admit that I haven’t heard this particular line of reasoning before. I wonder what Phil Gingerich might think about this? I think I shall ask him!

Vox, with an update to his original post, thinks PZ didn’t read his argument very carefully and suggests that evolutionary experts should provide a prediction as to how long such a transition might actually take place, at the end of which time we should collect our Nobel Prizes.

At any rate, Vox used both a personal anecdote as well as this example as an explanation of the gnawing misgivings he has about evolution and natural selection. I’m still not sure what he thinks the actual status of these items shall be from his reply, but (no surprise) I think we can rule out any pan-adapationist orientation from Vox. Before I reply further, I think I would like to give Vox a chance to ask me any sort of follow-up question on this topic.

Dr. PZ is exhibiting his customary intellectual clumsiness. How is my argument “phony” in any sense of the word? And one wonders how he derives innumeracy from a single example of correctly applied math, especially when he managed to come up with a different result. It seems math is hard for butterfly collectors! As for the the information, it came, as I stated in the original post, from Talk Origins, specifically Douglas Theobald’s 29+ Evidences for Macroevolution, section 5.7, which cites Gingerich, Reznick, Williams, Rightmire and others.

Anyhow, Scott asks if I have any questions for him. Here’s a few simple ones to start:

1. Do you understand the difference between a historical model and a predictive model? If you don’t mind, would you quickly explain to those having problems understanding the difference why this is relevant to a discussion of evolution? And which type of model, in your opinion, is a better description of the current state of Neo-Darwinian theory?

2. Is Talk Origins a reliable source? I seem to have come under an amount of criticism for relying on it. If it is unreliable, can you suggest an acceptable one?

3. Is the acceptable margin of error greater for economics or evolution? (It’s much larger for both than people realize.) What margin of error is too great to allow a discipline to be reasonably considered a science?

4. A change in the frequency of alleles within a population is the genetic definition of evolution. What is the genetic definition of speciation? Are nucleotide substitutions to be regarded as the genetic equivalent to darwins? If not, what would be a reasonable definition of a “mendel” that would allow us to track the average rate of genetic evolution as one species transforms into another?

5. Is it correct to say that “we just don’t see clear evidence of speciation in the fossil record”? This appears to contradict what I have been taught about evolution since elementary school.

6. Based on the number of known species, the aforementioned darwins/year required for a significant transformation and the average rate of darwins observed in the wild, I calculate there should be an average of 194.6 166.5 new species evolving each year. Is this correct? If not, how many new species evolve in the average year? Perhaps PZ would care to double-check my math…. (The math was fine, but I was thinking in terms of time, not velocity, on the first run through.)

And for those evolutionary fundamentalists who can’t seem to understand that this is a debate about EVOLUTION, please understand that however tempting it might be to avoid uncomfortable questions and turn the discussion towards Creation Science, Intelligent Design, game design, God, George Bush or the Iraqi Occupation, none of those subjects have anything to do with my debate with Scott. Evolution must stand or fall on its own merits; to assume the inherent truth of anything based on one’s ignorance of an alternative is a basic logical fallacy.

UPDATE: Scott begins his response.


It has begun

Scott Hatfield poses the following questions:

here’s my first set of thoughts for discussion: in your opinion, what is the status of evolution by natural selection as an explanatory model? What sort of explanation is it? What, if anything, does it explain better than other models?

Perhaps I can explain some of my objections to evolution from personal experience. You see, I have witnessed many things over the four hundred years since I was first given the Gift by the Lady Annabel Moutrie-Blackett – wait, we’re not supposed to talk about that?

Okay, well, skipping ahead a few hundred years, I developed a clever little stock analysis system that turned out to be somewhat of a reinvention of the wheel known as the Elliott Wave. Going back to the mid-1980s, it called many of the major highs and all of the lows, and was impressive enough that a few European banks were very interested in using it. When asked for a demonstration, I made use of it to triple their money in a matter of weeks. They were impressed, especially when I used it to correctly call a significant low.

Unfortunately, within four months, I’d begun to suspect that the system didn’t work quite as well as I thought it did. And within another three, I was sure it didn’t. Fortunately, I managed to figure this out before any of my banking clients put any serious funds at risk, but it taught me a very important lesson in the difference between a historical model and a predictive one.

From my admittedly layman’s perspective, the Neo-Darwinian Theory of evolution looks remarkably like a historical model, except that it doesn’t explain historical events half as well as my stock system did. It’s not a reliably predictive model like the Law of Supply and Demand and it doesn’t provide what I consider to be convincing answers to simple questions like why one population evolves and another does not when they share the same environment; declaring one to have reached equilibrium while the other is unstable is simply not convincing over the lengths of time that are supposed to be involved.

Based on the information from Talk Origins, it could theoretically take as little as 20 years to forcibly evolve a species of mouse into a species of elephant given the rate of darwins observed in the laboratory and the number required for that level of transformation. And yet, after 150 years of constant refinement, evolution still appears to be more smoke, mirrors and revision of the historical model rather than the foundation of a predictive one. I don’t argue that the concept of natural selection modifying behavior and attributes over time can’t be useful, even valuable, we’ve used it in artificial intelligence systems in my games for more than a decade now.

But to place evolution on the same level of confidence as Austrian economic theory, let alone Newtonian physics? Given the imprecision, the margins of error and the level of overt speculation that always seems to be involved, I don’t see that it’s justified.

And while I’m not saying the criticism is misplaced, I do think there’s a tremendous amount of irony involved when an evolutionist criticizes a creation scientist for the premise including the result.

UPDATE – PZ still can’t read:

That’s so darn close to what he demands that I have to assume this is where he got his mangled expectation. So Day takes a very high estimate for a sustained rate of evolution, divides the duration by 500, and then rebukes scientists for not replicating this theoretical experiment in the lab. Unless we greatly increase the period of indentured servitude for grad students, as well as the duration of human civilizations, I don’t see it happening….

See what you’re in for, Scott? You’ve engaged an innumerate incompetent who will blithely make quantitative claims on subjects on which he knows nothing, and you’re going to have to make arguments based on a fairly broad knowledge of the scientific literature and considerable background explanation to refute him.

If PZ was capable of doing math – I know, I know, he’s a butterfly collector so you can’t expect that much out of him – then he would have noticed that I didn’t randomly choose to divide by 500. The 20 years for the hypothetical elephant mouse was simply based on the observation that if an evolutionary rate of 400 darwins are enough to transform a mouse into an elephant in 10,000 years, then a rate of 200,000 darwins as has already been observed in the laboratory would suffice to get the job done in 20 years. 280,000!=200,000.

The amusing thing about evolutionists is the way they are always making assertions and then dancing away from them the moment anyone dares to take them seriously. I don’t care about the elephant-mouse, that’s just the example given by Talk Origins; if there’s an error in the darwin rate, take it up with them. The obvious thing to do is to pick something that’s more closely related; Scott and PZ are the evolutionary experts, so they can inform us what is the fastest species-to-species evolution in terms of darwins/year and we can figure out exactly how long it will take for them to win their Nobel prize. Of course, this has almost surely been done many times before with fast-breeding animals like fruit flies, one can only assume the absence of reported results is because they haven’t managed to turn it into anything but a mutated fruit fly yet.

PZ’s problem is that because the theory and the discipline isn’t really a science, getting specific makes them very uncomfortable. I think there’s a better case for arguing that economics, which is more rigorous and demands much greater precision, is not a science than there is for arguing that evolutionary biology is one.

Regardless, as long as Dr. Myers is arguing for it, we can rest assured that he’ll be convincing more people that evolution is a myth than the other way around. As Leonardo is supposed to have said: “Where there is shouting there is no science.” What PZ calls “cherry-picking”, other people call “noticing the glaring problems”. I only highlighted the most obvious, the other serious problem is that according to the rates, there should be a lot more evolution than has been “observed”. That’s cited as support for the theory, the problem is that in a real science, the numbers have to actually add up, not just leave sufficient room for your pet idea.

If evolutionists built airplanes, they wouldn’t get off the ground long enough to crash.

This isn’t my case against evolution. I was asked a few simple questions and I gave a few simple answers. I just completed my case against the New Atheists; it’s 110,000 words long with something like 500 footnotes. If I ever decide to make a serious case against evolution, it will be decidely more detailed and methodical than this blog post.


Offended by English

Fresh from a brief encounter with sanity, Amynda slips back into irrationality:

Your use of the word “promiscuous” offends me, Petey. I prefer the phrase “doesn’t buy into the double standard”. Sluts are good people. Women who view sex as a means to pleasure and themselves as sexual subjects are smart and to be looked up to, not shamed. Women who buy into the idea that their bodies belong to men and therefore their sexual choices need to be made strictly with the desires of some prudish, misogynist they want to marry later (for reasons that make no sense) need help, not being held up as the role model.

Promiscuous is neither a difficult nor an offensive word, it is merely descriptive:

1. Having casual sexual relations frequently with different partners; indiscriminate in the choice of sexual partners.
2. Lacking standards of selection; indiscriminate.
3. Casual; random.

Since left-wingers believe from the very bottom of their bleeding little hearts that discrimination is bad, bad, bad, it’s peculiar that having their behavior described as indiscriminate should be offensive. But to be offended by a literal description of the very behavior they openly champion isn’t merely strange, it’s meta-weird.

Now, sluts can be perfectly delightful, especially the cheerful variety. The angry, self-loathing ones, not so much. But the negative quality of an idea is not dictated by its identifying label. No amount of feminist attempts to pervert the language are going to change that.

If the truth – or the mere language – makes you uncomfortable or angry, that’s a reliable sign that there is something seriously wrong with your thinking.


God as game designer

Of course, there’s nothing remotely similar to this in TIA:

I hadn’t imagined that the omniscient, omnipotent creator of the heavens and earth could be an advanced version of a guy who spends his weekends building model railroads or overseeing video-game worlds like the Sims. But now it seems quite possible. In fact, if you accept a pretty reasonable assumption of Dr. Bostrom’s, it is almost a mathematical certainty that we are living in someone else’s computer simulation.

You say “highly evolved”, I say “levelled-up”.


Run, do not walk

The wife-from-Hell has now been released after serving seven whole months for shooting her sleeping husband in the back. No doubt she’s eager to start dating again; imagine being the poor unsuspecting guy on that first date. Or even worse, imagine the sort of saps who will know what’s up, but buy into the little coward’s sob story.


The history of video football

The Sports Guy was an Intellivision man, naturally. This may be the greatest interview ever recorded in the history of Man.

The six new entrants in the VPFL will be:

1) Zek, 2) Huck, 3) Jeanne, 4) Josh, 5) Jim Jewell 6) Hold the Sky. I will post the rosters of the six teams later today, Zek gets first pick, Huck second and so forth. Either pick your team in the comments after the person before you has selected or let me know that you won’t be playing. Remember, you are allowed four keepers. East Mesa, Burns and Greenfield should let me know who their keepers will be.

UPDATE: decide which team you’d like, Zek. Then Huck, etc.

Mile High Club (2nd place, 8-6-0)
———–
Michael Vick
Jay Cutler
Brett Favre
Steven Jackson
Jamal Lewis
Carnel Williams
Anquan Boldin
Reggie Brown
Donald Driver
Hines Ward
Heath Miller
Nate Kaeding
Denver DEF
Jacksonville DEF

COS McRays (5th place, 7-7-0)
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Tony Romo
Vince Young
Matt Hasselbeck
Corey Dillon
Edgerrin James
Deuce McCallister
Marques Colston
Jerricho Cotchery
Devery Henderson
Chad Johnson
Terell Owens
Chris Cooley
Robbie Gould
Miami DEF
San Diego DEF

Newport Sea Dogs (7th place 7-6-1)
—————
Marc Bulger
Matt Leinart
Tatum Bell
Ronnie Brown
Frank Gore
Brandon Jacobs
Julius Jones
Chester Taylor
DeAngelo Williams
Marvin Harrison
Torry Holt
Matt Jones
Benjamin Watson
Josh Brown
Cincinatti DEF

Santa Barbarians (8th place, 6-7-1)
—————————
David Carr
Trent Green
Rex Grossman
Tiki Barber
Warrick Dunn
Ahman Green
Travis Henry
Fred Taylor
Marty Booker
Mark Clayton (Bal)
Terry Glenn
Reggie Wayne
LJ Smith
Josh Scobee
Seattle DEF

Pale Horse Cowboys (9th place, 5-9-0)
—————-
Tom Brady
Steve McNair
Shaun Alexander
Ladell Betts
DeShaun Foster
Laurence Maroney
Braylon Edwards
Joey Galloway
TJ Houshmandzadeh
Keyshawn Johnson
Tony Gonzalez
Randy McMichael
Lawrence Tynes
Baltimore DEF
New England DEF

West Texas Vikings (10th place, 4-10-0)
—————
Kurt Warner
Eli Manning
Kevan Barlow
Reuben Droughns
LaMont Jordan
Isaac Bruce
Chris Chambers
Santana Moss
Steve Smith
Roy Williams
John Kasay
Adam Vinatieri
Pittsburgh DEF


Multi-threaded brains

David Kupelian’s article on psychotropic drugs has an interesting section on “hallucinations”:

a quarter century ago, the chief psychologist at a major California mental hospital conducted an extraordinary study of the inner voices patients heard. Wilson Van Dusen worked among the mentally ill for 17 years at the Mendocino State Hospital – originally Mendocino State Asylum for the Insane – established in 1889.

In his treatise, titled “The Presence of Spirits in Madness,” Van Dusen provided a window into the inner experience of his patients’ “hallucinations.” Note that these were not criminally insane people who had perpetrated violent acts, but rather were simply “mentally ill” individuals who had been committed to the institution. So their condition was not as serious or dangerous as that of the criminal perpetrators referenced earlier.

“Out of my professional role as a clinical psychologist in a state mental hospital and my own personal interest, I set out to describe as faithfully as possible mental patients’ experiences of hallucinations,” he wrote:

The average layman’s picture of the mentally ill as raving lunatics is far from reality. Most of these people have become entangled in inner processes and simply fail to manage their lives well.

After dealing with hundreds of such patients, I discovered about four years ago that it was possible to speak to their hallucinations. To do so I looked for patients who could distinguish between their own thoughts and the things they heard and saw in the world of hallucinations. The patient was told that I simply wanted to get as accurate a description of their experiences as possible. I held out no hope for recovery or special reward. It soon became apparent that many were embarrassed by what they saw and heard and hence they concealed it from others.

Also they knew their experiences were not shared by others, and some were even concerned that their reputations would suffer if they revealed the obscene nature of their voices. It took some care to make the patients comfortable enough to reveal their experience honestly. A further complication was that the voices were sometimes frightened of me and themselves needed reassurance. I struck up a relationship with both the patient and the persons he saw and heard. I would question these other persons directly, and instructed the patient to give a word-for-word account of what the voices answered or what was seen. In this way I could hold long dialogues with a patient’s hallucinations and record both my questions and their answers.

One consistent finding was that patients felt they had contact with another world or order of beings. Most thought these other persons were living persons. All objected to the term hallucination. Each coined his own term such as The Other Order, the Eavesdroppers, etc.

For most individuals the hallucinations came on suddenly. One woman was working in a garden when an unseen man addressed her. Another man described sudden loud noises and voices he heard while riding in a bus. Most were frightened, and adjusted with difficulty to this new experience. All patients describe voices as having the quality of a real voice, sometimes louder, sometimes softer, than normal voices. The experience they describe is quite unlike thoughts or fantasies. When things are seen they appear fully real. … Most patients soon realize that they are having experiences that others do not share, and for this reason learn to keep quiet about them. Many suffer insults, threats and attacks for years from voices with no one around them aware of it. Women have reported hearing such vile things they felt it would reflect on them should they even be mentioned.

… Lower order voices are as though one is dealing with drunken bums at a bar who like to tease and torment just for the fun of it. They will suggest lewd acts and then scold the patient for considering them. They find a weak point of conscience and work on it interminably. For instance, one man heard voices teasing him for three years over a ten-cent debt he had already paid. They call the patient every conceivable name, suggest every lewd act, steal memories or ideas right out of consciousness, threaten death, and work on the patient’s credibility in every way. For instance they will brag that they will produce some disaster on the morrow and then claim honor for one in the daily paper. They suggest foolish acts (such as: Raise your right hand in the air and stay that way) and tease if he does it and threaten him if he doesn’t. The lower order can work for a long time to possess some part of the patient’s body. Several worked on the ear and the patient seemed to grow deafer. One voice worked two years to capture a patient’s eye which visibly went out of alignment. Many patients have heard loud and clear voices plotting their death for weeks on end, an apparently nerve-wracking experience. One patient saw a noose around his neck which tied to “I don’t know what” while voices plotted his death by hanging. They threaten pain and can cause felt pain as a way of enforcing their power. The most devastating experience of all is to be shouted at constantly by dozens of voices. When this occurred the patient had to be sedated.

All of the lower order are irreligious or anti-religious. Some actively interfered with the patients’ religious practices. Most considered them to be ordinary living people, though once they appeared as conventional devils and referred to themselves as demons. In a few instances they referred to themselves as from hell. Occasionally they would speak through the patient so that the patient’s voice and speech would be directly those of the voices. Sometimes they acted through the patient.

The interesting thing is that the current state of science insists that these things cannot exist, even though by the current state of science, there is no material evidence for the primary consciousness to which these other “voices” are attributed. The Biblical explanation of demons is not the only one, of course, it is theoretically possible that everyone has multiple “programs” in their brain but most people only run a single thread while those who hear voices are capable of multi-threaded operations.

Anyhow, if I was studying consciousness, this is one of the areas where I’d be focused. Science, I am increasingly beginning to suspect, is somewhat like weightlifting. It tends to focus where the results are easiest and the gains come most quickly instead of where it is least competent. This is natural, but it does tend to lead to the mistaken impression that scientage is more developed across a broad spectrum than it actually is.


Yes, Christians did end slavery

Which is why it shouldn’t be surprising when post-Christians and/or non-Christians bring it back:

A total of 1,340 people, 367 of whom are mentally handicapped, have been rescued from forced labor since the notorious brick kiln forced labor scandal came to light in June, a joint investigation group reported on Monday afternoon….

The use of forced laborers hit the headlines after more than 400 parents in central China’s Henan Province posted an online petition, calling for help in rescuing their children who had been kidnapped to work in small brick kilns in Shanxi and Henan as forced laborers.

I’m not sure if it is more amusing or pathetic that some people still point to the Christian continuation of a pre-Christian practice that Christians, with significant internal debate, brought to a temporary end in the Christian-dominated world, while ignoring the fact that more people are in various forms of slavery today than were enslaved in the American South.