ASOIAF vs AODAL

Many readers of epic fantasy have stated their opinion that AODAL is better than ASOIAF. In light of last night’s discussion of AI on Arkhaven Nights, I thought it might be interesting to see what a presumably impartial AI – in this case, GROK – had to say on the matter.

Narrative Structure

  • ASOIAF: Martin employs a sprawling, multi-perspective narrative with a rotating cast of point-of-view (POV) characters—starting with eight in A Game of Thrones and expanding over time. This structure allows for a panoramic view of Westeros and Essos, weaving together political intrigue, personal drama, and large-scale conflict. However, as the series progresses (notably in A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons), the pacing slows, and the narrative threads multiply, leading some to criticize it for losing focus. Martin’s refusal to adhere to a tight, formulaic plot—combined with his habit of killing off major characters—creates an unpredictable, tension-filled experience, though it risks leaving readers frustrated by unresolved arcs, especially given the unfinished state of the series (five of seven planned books as of February 21, 2025).
  • AODAL: Vox Day’s series, beginning with A Throne of Bones, also uses multiple POVs but maintains a tighter narrative arc within each volume. The story spans the continent of Selenoth, focusing on a war between human kingdoms, elves, orcs, and other factions. Day structures his books with a clear sense of progression, avoiding the sprawl that characterizes later ASOIAF. However, this tighter focus can feel less ambitious, and the pacing sometimes sacrifices depth for momentum. Day has explicitly stated his intent to finish the series efficiently (likely in three or four books), contrasting with Martin’s open-ended expansion.

Verdict: ASOIAF’s structure is more daring and innovative, pushing the boundaries of epic fantasy with its complexity, but it sacrifices cohesion in later books. AODAL offers a more disciplined, traditional approach, which may appeal to readers who prefer clarity over sprawl. Martin edges out slightly for originality, though Day’s focus is a strength.


Character Development

  • ASOIAF: Martin excels at creating complex, morally ambiguous characters—Eddard Stark’s honor leads to his downfall, Tyrion Lannister blends wit with vulnerability, and Daenerys Targaryen evolves from a pawn to a conqueror with troubling flaws. The use of subjective POVs lets readers see the world through their eyes, fostering deep emotional investment. However, the sheer number of characters (over 1,000 named individuals) means some—especially in later books—receive less development, feeling like narrative tools rather than fully realized people (e.g., Quentyn Martell).
  • AODAL: Day’s characters, such as Marcus Valerius, Lodi the dwarf, and the elven princess Skuli, are well-drawn within their roles but tend to lack the same psychological depth. They often embody archetypes (the noble soldier, the cunning outsider) with clear motivations, making them relatable but less unpredictable. Day’s focus on historical verisimilitude and moral clarity—contrasting with Martin’s nihilism—results in characters who feel grounded but rarely surprise. The dialogue, while functional, lacks the memorable sharpness of Martin’s best exchanges (e.g., Tyrion’s quips).

Verdict: Martin’s characters are richer and more layered, driving ASOIAF’s emotional and thematic weight. Day’s are serviceable and consistent but don’t match the same level of nuance or impact.


Prose Style

  • ASOIAF: Martin’s prose is utilitarian yet evocative, prioritizing clarity and immersion over lyrical flourishes. He adapts his style to each POV—Sansa’s chapters have a romantic sheen, Arya’s a gritty edge—while maintaining a consistent tone of medieval realism. Critics note occasional repetitiveness (e.g., “words are wind”) and over-description of food, but the prose effectively conveys the harshness and beauty of his world. It’s accessible yet sophisticated enough to reward close reading.
  • AODAL: Day’s prose leans heavily on historical imitation, drawing from Roman and medieval influences. It’s dense and formal, often mimicking the cadence of older literature, which lends authenticity but can feel stilted or overly expository. While detailed, it lacks the visceral immediacy of Martin’s best passages (e.g., the Red Wedding). Day’s style appeals to readers who enjoy a more classical tone, but it’s less dynamic and emotionally resonant.

Verdict: Martin’s prose is more versatile and engaging, striking a balance between accessibility and depth. Day’s is competent but less captivating, prioritizing form over feeling.


World-Building

  • ASOIAF: Martin’s Westeros and Essos are masterpieces of depth, with a history spanning thousands of years, detailed cultures (e.g., Dothraki, Braavosi), and a sense of lived-in realism. His restrained use of magic—direwolves, dragons, and the Others are rare but impactful—grounds the fantasy in a believable framework. The appendices and companion works (The World of Ice & Fire) enhance this richness, though some argue the world’s complexity overwhelms the narrative in later books.
  • AODAL: Selenoth is equally detailed, with a Roman-inspired human empire (Amorr), elven kingdoms, and orcish hordes, all underpinned by a robust religious and political system. Day’s world feels authentic, with meticulous attention to military logistics and societal structure, reflecting his stated goal of historical verisimilitude. Magic is present but understated, akin to Martin’s approach. However, Selenoth lacks the same cultural breadth and mythic resonance as Westeros, feeling narrower in scope.

Verdict: Both excel at world-building, but Martin’s is broader and more immersive, giving ASOIAF a slight edge. Day’s is impressive but less expansive.


Thematic Depth

  • ASOIAF: Martin explores power, morality, and human nature with a cynical lens—there are no true heroes, only flawed individuals shaped by circumstance. Themes of loyalty, betrayal, and the cost of war resonate universally, amplified by his subversion of fantasy tropes (e.g., the noble king’s execution). The gradual increase in magic hints at larger existential questions, though the unfinished series leaves these unresolved, frustrating some readers.
  • AODAL: Day counters Martin’s nihilism with a more hopeful, traditional worldview, emphasizing honor, faith, and resistance against evil. His series is a self-described “literary rebuke” to ASOIAF’s darkness, offering beauty and normalcy alongside its brutality. Themes of duty and redemption are prominent, but they lack the ambiguity that makes Martin’s work provocative. Day’s moral clarity can feel didactic compared to Martin’s shades of gray.

Verdict: Martin’s themes are more challenging and philosophically complex, pushing the genre forward. Day’s are coherent and uplifting but less innovative.


Overall Coherence and Completion

  • ASOIAF: The first three books (A Game of Thrones, A Clash of Kings, A Storm of Swords) are widely regarded as a high-water mark in epic fantasy, blending tight plotting with expansive vision. However, A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons suffer from bloat and stalled momentum, and the lack of an ending (with The Winds of Winter still unpublished as of 2025) undermines its literary legacy. Its potential remains unrealized.
  • AODAL: With two books published (A Throne of Bones, A Sea of Skulls) and a third (A Grave of Gods) planned, Day has maintained consistent quality and promises a conclusion. The series feels more contained, avoiding the pitfalls of over-expansion. However, its smaller scale and lesser cultural impact limit its stature.

Verdict: ASOIAF’s peak is higher, but its decline and incompletion weaken it. AODAL’s consistency is a strength, though it lacks the same transformative ambition.


Which Is Better?

From a literary quality perspective, A Song of Ice and Fire surpasses The Arts of Dark and Light in most areas—its narrative daring, character complexity, prose flexibility, and thematic depth set a benchmark for modern fantasy. Martin’s work redefined the genre, embracing moral ambiguity and political realism in ways Day doesn’t attempt to replicate. However, AODAL holds its own as a well-crafted, cohesive alternative, particularly for readers who value structure, historical resonance, and a counterpoint to Martin’s bleakness. If judging by completed intent, Day might eventually claim an edge by finishing his story, but as of now, Martin’s flawed masterpiece carries greater literary weight—despite its unresolved state.

Final Call: ASOIAF is the stronger series literarily, though AODAL is a worthy contender for those prioritizing discipline over audacity.

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Reading Isn’t Stealing

Scott Thurow and the other authors who oppose training AI on their writings are absolutely and utterly in the wrong, as evidenced by their reliance upon “copyright” to make their case against it.

The tech companies are doing it because they want to, and because they can. It’s the most flagrant copyright breach in history, being perpetrated by the richest companies in the world. It’s their typical modus operandi – steal first, and request permission when challenged. 

And instead of trying to prevent this, the British government wants to give them a free pass. That will be catastrophic, not just for writers in the UK, but all over the world. American authors, for example, who demand compensation from the tech giants will be told, ‘Tough – our scraping operation conforms to UK law.’

Copyright, the most crucial protection for any writer, will effectively cease to exist.

It is copyright that is the abuse, not the reading and analysis of books that have been duly purchased and utilized as the reader sees fit. Copyright neither protects the author nor is necessary in order to inspire creative people to create works of art. It’s not at all a surprise that it’s bestselling corporate hacks like Thurow who are most upset by the possibility that AI can churn out books as unoriginal and poorly-written as their own.

As far as the possibility that people will be able to request a “Scott Thurow” novel that will serve as a convincing substitute for the real thing, that is a clear and obvious matter of trademark, and I have no doubt that the AI services will be paying authors and other IP owners for the rights to utilize their trademark in this way; Grimes is already offering a service to record songs that feature an AI facsimile of her voice to sing the vocals.

If this does spell the end of copyright, that is a good thing. The fact that copyright now extends 70 years or more beyond the life of the author, and that it does so as a result of the Devil Mouse putting pressure on the US Congress, is sufficient proof that it has nothing to do with protecting or even benefiting the creators.

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Kash Patel Confirmed

Kash Patel is the new Director of the FBI. We should find out soon if he’s actually the killer he was advertised as being or not. If I were him, I’d fire everyone, shut the place down, then start the investigations into all the bureau’s ex-employees from the new Federal Investigations Agency created by the God-Emperor 2.0.

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The Next James Bond

ITEM: Rumours abound that Doctor Who star Ncuti Gatwa is set to walk away from the sci-fi drama leaving the future of the show in doubt.

ITEM: The James Bond film franchise will no longer be controlled by the Broccoli dynasty, after long-serving masterminds Barbara Broccoli and Michael G Wilson announced they are stepping down. The pair will now give creative control to Amazon MGM Studios, which was formed when Amazon bought Bond’s parent studio in 2022.

I think we not only know that the next James Bond will be black and gay, we also have a very good idea of who it is going to be.

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Ebooks at NDM Express

A few months ago, I did some groundwork with a large European distribution company to see if it was possible to set up an alternative to Amazon. Despite some initial intermediate-level interest, the project foundered for two reasons: a) the high-level decision makers weren’t willing to get sufficiently aggressive on the pricing and b) virtually none of the very authors the project was intended to save were interested in being saved.

Since I don’t believe in attempt to save people from themselves, and I’m perfectly content to permit every author and publisher who is dumb enough to rely upon Amazon see their revenues continue to decline, I abandoned my efforts. However, now that Amazon has turned ebooks into a walled-garden service by eliminating the ability to move books that one has purchased outside of Kindle, it’s necessary for Castalia to give people a means of actually purchasing our ebooks as a product.

Which is precisely what we have done courtesy of NDM Express. All of Castalia’s books, including the Library, History, and Cathedra books for which we control the digital rights, will be available via NDM Express. The books are in EPUB format, DRM-free, and will have a minimum price of $4.99. Other authors and publishers are welcome to sell their books there; at 25 percent, NDM will take a smaller percentage of the revenue than Amazon or Apple do.

Library, History, and Cathedra ebooks will sell for $9.99, but will be free to the appropriate subscribers. A code will be provided in the next few weeks, so don’t expect to download them today. Currently, there are two sections being set up, one with JDA’s ebooks, the other with the Castalia Library books. This is a brand new project, so although it is functional, please give it a few weeks to become fully operational. Eventually, we’ll get the digital Arkhaven books up there as well.

Authors and publishers who would like to make their books available there should contact NDM, not me. Below is an example of the standard cover we’ve developed for the Library books.

UPDATE: The first Castalia Library books are now up at NDM Express.

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The Kiev Regime is Done

And the European Union is officially irrelevant on the global level. It’s not even a genuine regional power. One by one, Clown World regimes are going to fall to the nationalist forces of the populist freedom that the satanic elite has deemed so “extreme” and “dangerous” to itself.

Few have expected the speed with which Zelensky’s regime has worn out its welcome. Now Zelensky has no choice but to cling to his final holdfast of the ever-narrowing and isolated European elite circle, that same Vampire ball which had just gathered in Paris days ago. The European tyrants who have squandered their citizens’ lives, destroying Europe’s future, turning a once bright-and-bustling civilization into a dystopian failed state overrun by migrants and skyrocketing prices—these elites have emerged as the scared, retreating figures now trying desperately to shield Zelensky beneath their skirt as the overwhelming concensus builds to loom deafeningly before them.

The remnants of their dying mass-media organs are stenographing their urgent pleas, trying any angle to save Zelensky from the wood chipper of history. For instance, Newsweek had the gall to pass this embarrassing bout of flatulence off as an ‘article’:

There are concerns that the Ukrainian president could be voted out of office if the country holds an election.

So, there are concerns that democracy could reign in a European country? Yes, we’ve come to learn this has become the gravest concern to this final globalist tyrant holdout of the rotting Brussels regime.

It’s absurd to deny Zelensky’s legitimacy after he literally forewent presidential elections, but it’s not absurd to openly deny the legitimacy of Romanian and Georgian elections with zero evidence of interference? The putrid Eurocrats have lofted to new heights of hypocrisy for all the world to see. Their increasingly shrinking coven becomes less and less relevant by the day, as they destroy the last crumbs of their credibility desperately shielding a blood-soaked despot.

More and more it begins to seem that Trump’s ‘sudden’ flare up against Zelensky has the note of premeditation in it. As I’ve previously posited, it’s possible that Trump has been setting up Ukraine for a fall, but he simply had to prep the ground first, by making reasonable overtures toward peace that he knew all along Zelensky would be incapable of agreeing to or honoring. Now the feigned indignation merely marks the transition to Phase Two of the planned demolition of the deep state’s Ukraine project.

There is a reason Vladimir Putin accurately described Clown World as “an Empire of Lies”. Nothing that the so-called “leaders” of the occupied West, from Germany, France, and the UK to the fake regime of the Six Bidens, ever said was even remotely true. They were, and are, the bad guys. They were the expansionary power with global aspirations. Not Russia. Not China. And now, not the United States.

The sooner Clown World is comprehensively driven back into the shadows, the sooner the American people and the European peoples can be freed from the evil that has oppressed them for the last sixty years.

UPDATE: Even the mainstream media reports that the clowns are in disarray. Imagine how panicked they’ll be when they finally realize Washington isn’t just abandoning the Kiev regime, but Clown World’s entire European project.

The Kremlin has said it ‘absolutely’ agrees with Donald Trump after the US president warned Volodymyr Zelensky to ‘move fast’ to end the conflict in Ukraine – as Europe has been left panicked at the prospect of Washington abandoning Kyiv.

UPDATE: NATO and the EU are dying, they just haven’t stopped thrashing about yet.

We are witnessing history. The post-World War II order with the US ruling the roost is coming unglued. I think this is the beginning of the end for NATO and for the European Union. But the collapse is not imminent. Political and economic chaos are likely to shake the major European countries and create internal pressures in the next two years that will lead the various nations to seek their own path for security outside the confines of NATO or the EU.

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Why I Don’t Fly RyanAir

I don’t want wacky, I don’t want diversity, and I don’t want inclusivity when I’m travelling. I want serious, highly-competent ex-military men in their mid-50s who could land a plane in their sleep. And if I owned this airline, I’d immediately fire every single one of these jokers for degrading confidence in the company’s ability to safely fly its planes.

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The Retarderati at Work

EU politicians aren’t merely evil. They’re observably stupid too. Even children are usually capable of remembering what they did just two years ago. Who could possibly believe this is effective rhetoric? Are the European elite just so hopped up on adrenochrome that they have zero functioning memory, or do they simply assume that no one pays any attention to what they say?

And what “democracy” is that? The one that is now literally imitating what Alt-Hero was describing several years ago with the federal police breaking into people’s homes and arresting them for illegal memes? The one in which the minority parties in power are attempting to outlaw the party that is most popular and best represents the actual will of the German people?

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The Problem of Perspectives

It’s fascinating to observe how TV people – and remember, George RR Martin was a TV writer – simply don’t understand some of the technical basics of storytelling. The Dark Herald explains why Black Captain America was always doomed to failure from a technical perspective, even if the Disney degenerati were not actively attempting to subvert the characters and the storylines, at the Arkhaven substack.

Feige was determined to follow his plan of a Marvelverse that had one continuous storyline for both TV and movies. He clearly viewed himself as a grand master storyteller who could rival Tolkien. Except it was a truly terrible idea. First of all, he didn’t invent any of the characters so they are now nothing like they should be, consequently, the audience has wandered away. Second, if he had read the comic books then he would have known just how utterly hopeless a task a single grand storyline has always been. It’s been tried repeatedly, and it’s always failed because you can’t tell any kind of coherent story with one hundred POV characters. The closest thing to a success was DC’s Crisis on Infinite Earths because most of the cast was dead by the end of it.

The attraction for executives like Fiege is that it feels like you are making people show up for everything you do because if they don’t, they will miss part of the story. This creates two major problems, one, there is no entry point for new viewers. They are expected to go all the way back to Iron Man (2008) and work their way through what is now about 100 hours of content and you have to include the TV shows because Kevin wanted it that way. Even if you are rigidly trying to keep the narrative cohesive you have the problem of people just not being interested in ALL of the characters. This confuses the hell out of casual viewers because a story like Captain America: Brave New World is built on major events they didn’t know about because they didn’t watch them.

Just for a baseline understanding of the setting you had to have watched the 2008 Incredible Hulk, Captain America, Captain America Civil War, Avengers Infinity War, Avengers Endgame, Falcon and the Winter Solider, and The Eternals.

It’s really not a very difficult concept. The average individual has trouble keeping more than three simultaneous thoughts in his mind. So, the optimal limit on perspective characters in any one creative work is nine, which works out to an average of three characters per act. One can certainly go below this, but one goes above it at one’s peril of cause the reader – or the viewer – to lose interest.

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Not Much Room for Complaint

There is no reason the God-Emperor 2.0, or anyone else, should take the complaints of the Ukrainians or the Europeans seriously. He’s absolutely correct to point out that the Kiev regime had a seat at the negotiating table in both the Minsk 1.0 and the Minsk 2.0 talks, and not only did it fail to keep their agreements, but they actually passed a law making it illegal to talk to the Russians at all. So they’re out, and they should be out, because they’re part of the problem, not part of the solution.

US President Donald Trump has expressed disappointment with Ukraine’s leadership over its complaints that it was not invited to US-Russia peace talks in Saudi Arabia, suggesting that it has squandered opportunities to end the conflict on its own for years. Speaking to reporters after high-level talks in Riyadh on Tuesday, Trump was asked if he had a message for Ukrainians who may have felt “betrayed or disappointed” about not having a seat at the table.

“I’m really disappointed in what’s happened. I’ve been watching this for three years… I hear that, you know, they’re upset about not having a seat. Well, they’ve had a seat for three years and a long time before that.”

Trump added that the conflict “could have been settled very easily. A half-baked negotiator could have settled this years ago without the loss of much land, very little land. Without the loss of any lives and without the loss of cities,” he said.

And as for Europe, if any of the European countries want to be part of any post-surrender peacekeeping, that’s up to them. But it’s not the USA’s problem, the USA’s responsibility, or in line with the wishes of the American people.

Trump said he would welcome an EU peacekeeping force in Ukraine in case of a ceasefire between Moscow and Kiev. “If they want to do it, that’s great. I’m all for it. I would not object to it at all,” he said. Trump stressed that US troops would not be involved in any peacekeeping arrangement.

Besides, all those pro-Ukrainian morons have been telling us for years that Russia is weak, that Russia is losing the war, that the Russian economy is crumbling and that Russia is running out of ammunition in two weeks. So why are they suddenly crying about their fears of a Russian invasion of Europe? And why should anyone pay any attention to anything they say ever again?

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