This may be the one and only time I have ever felt any actual pity for Ben Shapiro. These two somehow manage to make the mutual navel-gazing of the New Atheists look less hideously embarrassing in retrospect. And what sort of twisted, self-abusive masochist hears about a conversation between these two posturing charlatans and decides, “hey, now THAT is something I don’t want to miss!”
And yes, this is what Hell looks like. For both of them.