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La Divina Paglia has an incisive take on the Deep State and the failure of secular humanism, but like most atheists, she is a sucker for spiritualist psychobabble:

The deep state is no myth but a sodden, intertwined mass of bloated, self-replicating bureaucracy that constitutes the real power in Washington and that stubbornly outlasts every administration. As government programs have incrementally multiplied, so has their regulatory apparatus, with its intrusive byzantine minutiae. Recently tagged as a source of anti-Trump conspiracy among embedded Democrats, the deep state is probably equally populated by Republicans and apolitical functionaries of Bartleby the Scrivener blandness. Its spreading sclerotic mass is wasteful, redundant, and ultimately tyrannical.

I have been trying for decades to get my fellow Democrats to realize how unchecked bureaucracy, in government or academe, is inherently authoritarian and illiberal. A persistent characteristic of civilizations in decline throughout history has been their self-strangling by slow, swollen, and stupid bureaucracies. The current atrocity of crippling student debt in the US is a direct product of an unholy alliance between college administrations and federal bureaucrats — a scandal that ballooned over two decades with barely a word of protest from our putative academic leftists, lost in their post-structuralist fantasies. Political correctness was not created by administrators, but it is ever-expanding campus bureaucracies that have constructed and currently enforce the oppressively rule-ridden regime of college life.

In the modern world, so wondrously but perilously interconnected, a principle of periodic reduction of bureaucracy should be built into every social organism. Freedom cannot survive otherwise…. From my perspective as an atheist as well as a career college teacher, secular humanism has been a disastrous failure.

As a longtime Camille Paglia fan, I’m not even remotely surprised to learn that she was impressed by Jordan Peterson. She is a left-libertarian academic who is naturally inclined to assume that anyone who can sling citations around so glibly possesses a brilliant mind. However, I suspect that were she to actually trouble to read his works, check those citations, or spend more time in his company, she would swiftly pick up on his mental illness and aberrational psychosexuality.

There are a number of signs that will alert us if Jordanetics begins to transform into a full-blown religious cult. For example, if Peterson’s followers start to establish international connections around the world and start founding institutions for the study and propagation of the 12-Rule Path, that will be a reliable indicator that what one fan has told us “feels like a movement” has evolved into an advanced form of Jordanetics that represents a realization of the post-Christian vision originally proposed by Yeats.
– Jordanetics, Chapter 19: The Cult of Jordanetics

Yeah, so, about that….

In case you think I overstate my case in Jordanetics, consider how his fans are STILL reacting to their first encounters with my Jordan Peterson videos:

This guy is so far off that its almost comical. Nobody knows who this guy is so I guess by attacking JP he’s hoping to make a name for himself. I used to tell my children when they were young that people knock other people down to raise themselves up. Thats whats going on here. JP is a globalist based upon what evidence …you say he is ? Sorry but that dont fly with me nor most of those who have heard him speak. How do you come up with this stuff ? You must be over educated, this seems like a clear example. 

Well, there is this little document, in addition to his frequent statements about nationalism and group identity being deeply pathological.

All this criticism directed at  Peterson is just Ad Hominem attacks on him. You clearly miss the point of the social manifestation of the ethos through individuality. The soul is an extension of the individual and the individual has a room, and that must be in order before you can even begin to take on the challenges of life. Once you have order you can allow yourself to take on the radical Marxist progressives who serve the egalitarian divinity  at all COST’s. Clearly you are driven by malice because the criticisms presented  are weak and hollow.

It depends what you mean by Ad Hominem, bucko.

In response to a number of requests from readers, I am adding a third appendix to Jordanetics: A Journey Into the Mind of Humanity’s Greatest Thinker. It consists of 12 rules for life that I consider to be superior to the rules of the 12-Rule Path, on both levels. Here are five of them.

1. Embrace the iron. Lifting weights will not only help you stand up straight, it will make you stronger, healthier, and more confident. The iron teaches the weak to be strong and it teaches the strong to be humble.
2. Take the wheel. You are the ultimate architect of your own decisions and actions. Even if you were dealt a bad card by life, even if your genetics are inferior, your upbringing was terrible, and your instincts are suboptimal, you are the only one who can improve yourself. You are driving and only you can determine the destination.
3. Be the friend that you want to have. Smiles are contagious. Loyalty inspires loyalty. Stand by those who stand by you. Give every friend who fails you a second chance. Only abandon those who have repeatedly proven they cannot be trusted and do not wish you well.
4. Envision perfection and pursue excellence. You will never achieve perfection. But if you envision it and you strive for it, you may well achieve success, and perhaps even excellence.
5. Put a ring on it. Marriage is the manifestation of love. Children are the manifestation of hope. Raising a family to serve as the foundation of future generations is how Man rebels against an uncaring universe, a fallen world, and the spirits of despair and destruction. Yes, there are real risks, especially in the current social and legal environment. But they are well worth taking nevertheless.

Jordan Peterson deceives his deluded followers even when there is no real reason to do so:

Jordan B Peterson
I spoke a few days ago in Ljubjana, Slovenia, at the behest of my publisher, Družina,  there, to an audience of about 2000. 

Sure, that’s why you were in Slovenia. Because your publisher wanted you there. Just a simple book tour, that’s all. Hey, wait a minute… are you sure your little trip to a rather out-of-the-way destination didn’t have anything to do with the 42nd European Meeting of the Trilateral Commission?

From February to Sunday more than 200 most influential individuals will be literally from all over the world in Ljubljana. Ten years after the collapse of Lehman Brother’s, which was the beginning of the global economic crisis, one of the worst in the last hundred years, the economic future of Europe will be discussed in Ljubljana. Former President of the European Commission Jose Manuel Barroso, former President of the European Council Herman Van Rompuy, three former heads of state, and six former presidents of the government come from many distinguished thinkers and businessmen from all over the world, including Nigel Higgins of the Rothschild & Co of London, Jacob Frenkel, JPMorgan Chase International, head of Munich Security Conference Wolfgang Ischinger, former Secretary General of NATO Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, star globally-sold psychologist Jordan Peterson, Internet startup from Israel Yossi Vardi, former Italian Prime Minister Mario Monti, KBC Bank Group Thomas Leysen, former head of EBRD Jean Lemierre , Franz Fischler, Forum Alpbach, Lionel Barber of The Financial Times, President of the Atlantic Grupa Group of Companies Emil Tedeschi, Stanford’s Jure Leskovec and so on and so on. Vice-President of the European Commission, Frans Timmermans, the last moment of cancellation of the arrival due to urgent obligations in Brussels, is one of the candidates for the future President of the European Commission. 

One can’t help but wonder for what influential position Jordan B. Peterson is a candidate. Prime Minister of Canada? Witch-King of the Third Theosophic Temple? In the meantime, former Peterson fan Buck Daniels reviews Jordanetics. I think it’s a particularly valuable review precisely because it is presented from a perspective that does not view me favorably:

With most intellectuals, it is possible to summarize their arguments in a way that conveys their essence to ordinary people who have not read their work. For example, one could summarize Nietzsche’s “slave morality” argument by saying something like: “Nietzsche believed that ancient ‘morality’ was based around the polarities of ‘good’ and ‘bad.’ He believed the good was aligned with the nobility; it is described by things like power, pride, and happiness. The slave-class were resentful of the nobility’s power and happiness, and so they used words to create a new system of values, in which up was down and down was up. They defined noble ‘bad’ (the slaves) as the new ‘good,’ and the noble ‘good’ (the aristocracy) as ‘evil.’ Nietzsche believed that because the noble ‘good’ are the most procreative and pro-life values, the reversal of values and invention of modern morality, and its institution in Christianity in particular, creates a culture that is, in its moral values, hostile to life itself.” Different people may phrase it differently, but I would wager that basically everyone who has read Nietzsche would agree that this is, in essence, his argument.

With Peterson, such a distilled summary is not possible. Ask five Peterson fans what his philosophy is, or what he means when he talks about “truth,” you will likely get three different and mutually exclusive answers. Does he subscribe to a pragmatic definition? A coherence theory? A strange variant of an identity theory? Based on his conversation with Sam Harris, it isn’t a theory that is easily understood or believed even by experts who are nominally on his side, politically.

In philosophy, adversaries are expected to respect the methodological principle of charity which requires interlocutors to interpret each other’s argument in a manner that is the most coherent and rational, if multiple interpretations are possible. If someone says, for example, that it is 11 AM and the sun isn’t up, we could easily conclude that they are delusional—of course the sun would be up at 11 AM. But it is possible that their language loosely meant that the weather was overcast; this interpretation would make more rational and coherent sense of their two statements than simply accepting them on their face.

So would it be possible to apply the principle of charity to Dr. Jordan B. Peterson? Might we be able to stitch together his seemingly disconnected and incoherent philosophy? And if so, what would it look like?

Vox Day’s book—Jordanetics: A Journey into the Mind of Humanity’s Greatest Thinker—is that charitable book. But it is only charitable in the philosophical sense of the term. The worldview that emerges is coherent, but it is not pretty.

It’s really not. That’s why it’s a very good idea to understand what the evil love-child of Tony Robbins and L. Ron Hubbard is actually teaching the unsuspecting.

An excerpt from Milo’s Foreword to Jordanetics.

I’m a smart person. Really smart, actually, and very expensively educated! But half the time, I just can’t understand a bloody word Jordan Peterson says. And I’ve been thinking recently about why that could be. Ordinarily, I can listen to someone prattling on and quickly get to the heart of what they are trying to express. That’s one of the skills you pick up as a journalist: You learn to quickly identify the core of a problem, the essence of what’s being said. You learn to filter out the noise—and to identify bullshitters. But with Jordan Peterson, once I’ve filtered out the noise, I don’t find a lot left to work with. And there’s another problem. He lies.

When he first began to speak about me, Jordan Peterson described me as “an amazing person.” This was around the time he called me on the telephone, expressing sympathy for the failed assassination attempt on me in February 2017, when I was wrongly accused of supporting child rapists. He offered to do a series of on-camera interviews with me. He described me publicly, and correctly, as “a trickster figure,” explaining that “trickster figures emerge in times of crisis. And they point out what no one wants to see. And they say things that no one will say.”

He continued: “[Milo’s] brave as can be…. And he’s unstoppable on his feet. He just amazes me. I’ve never seen anyone I don’t think—and I’ve met some pretty smart people—I’ve never seen anyone who can take on an onslaught of criticism and reverse it like he can.” Fast-forward to an on-stage interview with Bari Weiss in June 2018 at the Aspen Ideas Festival. Weiss is talking about about a professor who paired me with Hitler and gave us as examples of Very Bad Things. She alleges that I, the interracially married man, am indeed a racist. To which Peterson replies: “Well, possibly, yeah … I haven’t followed Milo that carefully.”

What happened? By his own definition, this is the way demagogues work: by listening to their audience and adjusting their responses accordingly. Why was Peterson suddenly going along with something he knew wasn’t true and rewriting history, pretending he didn’t know that much at all about someone he had on numerous occasions so intelligently explained? I realize that by asking this question, this you’re going to think I’m just wounded that someone I once admired has since soured on me. But that’s the thing. From the first time I heard Jordan Peterson speak, my nostrils picked up a whiff of sulfur in the air—and not just because he dresses in that awful, drab, monotonous Victoriana.

Read the whole thing there. The irony is that I began writing the book to make a certain case, and wound up being led by the evidence to wind up making Milo’s case in the end. Regardless of what you think of Milo, never underestimate his insight.

This Reddit thread full of Postulants of the 12-Rule Path waxing wroth will make for amusing reading afterwards, as apparently the only reason to criticize Jordan Peterson is envy, and Milo, Owen Benjamin, and myself are all just jealous of a mentally ill man with a Messiah complex. If the thread doesn’t convince you of the vital importance of this book, nothing will.

Greg Johnson writes of what he considers to be the hopeful message of Yeats’s Second Coming:

And the poem seems to indicate a reversal of that flight, and a reversal of the birth of Christ. Could Mary, resting on the flight into Egypt, rocking Jesus cradled between the paws of a sphinx, have vexed the stony beast to nightmare? Could it have finally stirred from its troubled sleep, its womb heavy with the prophet of a new age, and begun the search for an appropriate place to give birth? “And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?” And what better place than Bethlehem, not to repeat but to reverse the birth of Christ and inaugurate a post-Christian age.

One can ask, however, if the poem ends on a note of horror or of hope. As I read it, there are three distinct stages to Yeats’ narrative. The first is the age when Christian values were the unchallenged core of Western civilization. This was a vital, flourishing civilization, but now it is over. The second stage is nihilism, both active and passive, occasioned by the loss of these core values. This is the present-day for Yeats and ourselves.

The third stage, which is yet to come, will follow the birth of the “rough beast.” Just as the birth of Jesus inaugurated Christian civilization, the rough beast will inaugurate a new pagan civilization. Its core values will be different than Christian values, which, of course, horrifies Christians, who hope to revive their religion. But the new pagan values, unlike Christian ones, will actually be believed, bringing the reign of nihilism to its end and creating a new, vital civilization. For pagans, this is a message of hope.

I think his interpretation of the three distinct stages is correct. Which is why it is really going to be fascinating to see what Greg makes of Jordanetics, which I understand he plans to review. Because, despite the best efforts of fools, false prophets, and philosophers, no Man has been able to coherently conceive, let alone construct, a viable post-Christian civilization.

On the off-chance you still doubted that Jordan Peterson is a globalist sell-out, he is currently attending the 42nd European Meeting of the Trilateral Commission, which is entitled Liberal Democracy in the Age of Political and Technological Disruption.

From February to Sunday more than 200 most influential individuals will be literally from all over the world in Ljubljana. This will be the annual European Meeting of the Trilateral Commission, which has nearly 400 members. The host is the head of the European section Trilaterale Jean-Claude Trichet, together with the host, the first husband of Gorenje, Franjo Bobincom, who is the Slovenian trilateral at the invitation of the first member of Trilaterala from Slovenia, former chairman of the NLB Board, Marko Voljc , who then went to the Belgian bank group KBC. The young guard of the successful and successful are Trilateral Slovenians Žiga Vavpotič , Chairman of the Board of Directors Outfit7 and co-organizer of the Ljubljana meeting, and Mark Boris Andrijanič from Uber Warsaw.

Ten years after the collapse of Lehman Brother’s, which was the beginning of the global economic crisis, one of the worst in the last hundred years, the economic future of Europe will be discussed in Ljubljana. Former President of the European Commission Jose Manuel Barroso , former President of the European Council Herman Van Rompuy , three former heads of state, and six former presidents of the government come from many distinguished thinkers and businessmen from all over the world, including Nigel Higgins of the Rothschild & Co of London, Jacob Frenkel , JPMorgan Chase International, head of Munich Security Conference Wolfgang Ischinger , former Secretary General of NATO Jaap de Hoop Scheffer , star globally-sold psychologist Jordan Peterson, Internet starter from Israel Yossi Vardi , former Italian Prime Minister Mario Monti , KBC Bank Group Thomas Leysen , former head of EBRD Jean Lemierre , Franz Fischler , Forum Alpbach, Lionel Barber of The Financial Times, President of the Atlantic Grupa Group of Companies Emil Tedeschi , Stanford’s Jure Leskovec and so on and so on. Vice-President of the European Commission, Frans Timmermans, the last moment of cancellation of the arrival due to urgent obligations in Brussels, is one of the candidates for the future President of the European Commission. The president of the Republic Borut Pahor is taking over the trilateral on Friday in the presidential palace, and on Saturday he is hosting a gala dinner at the National Gallery.

How fortunate that upon his arrival home the next day, the globally-sold one will be able to pick up a copy of the forthcoming Jordanetics: A Journey Into the Mind of Humanity’s Greatest Thinker, which is currently on preorder for release on November 19th.

Now what could the Commission’s interest in Jordan Peterson possibly be? He is post-ideological, right? Are we not reliably informed that he has no interest in politics? And we are told he doesn’t do philosophy either, right? So, are we to assume that a few of these global leaders are simply in need of a therapy session or two?

Now we know why Jordan Peterson is such a shameless con man. He’s a politician at heart. And as for those socialist credentials, notice that he’s at the NDP convention. From Infogalactic:

New Democratic Party
The NDP evolved in 1961 from a merger of the Canadian Labour Congress (CLC) and the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (CCF). The CCF grew from populist, agrarian and socialist roots into a modern socialist party. Although the CCF was part of the Christian left and the Social Gospel movement,[9] the NDP is secular and pluralistic. It has broadened to include concerns of the New Left, and advocates issues such as gay rights, international peace, and environmental stewardship.

Meanwhile, St. Jordan the Sleepless demonstrates that there is no principle he advocates that he will not hesitate to turn around and violate in order to signal his politically correct virtue.

Jordan B Peterson@jordanbpeterson
All you using (((three brackets))) online to oh-so-cleverly disguise your pathetically fashionable antisemitism might reflect today on what responsibility you bear for this:

None at all, Jordan. Whatever happened to your insistence on individual responsibility? By your own deeply thoughtful and very carefully chosen teachings, how can anyone who did not pull the trigger at Squirrel Hill, or even know what a Squirrel Hill is, possibly be responsible in any way, shape, or form for the attack there?

And if you’re looking to assign some sort of grand strategic responsibility to someone beyond the killer himself, the ultimate blame for all the coming inter-ethnic slaughter around the world is with globalists like you, who have stupidly insisted on violating the age-old principles of a) Fences Make Good Neighbors and b) Diversity + Proximity = War in the name of your insane one-world neo-liberal ideology.

The best part of this latest own goal on St. Jordan’s part is that several people have posted the cover of Jordanetics: A Journey Into the Mind of Humanity’s Greatest Thinker in Peterson’s own Twitter feed.

UPDATE: Roosh is on the case.

Roosh@rooshv
Did (((CAA))) make you write that?

Roosh@rooshv
Jordan Peterson is finished with red pill men. He has decided that a blue pill audience is more lucrative than following his own Rule 8: “Tell the truth, or at least don’t lie.” He KNOWS he’s not being honest when he says that men who use a meme bear “responsibility” for murder.

Roosh@rooshv
Note that Peterson is using the same “words matter” talking point that we have seen from George Soros and CNN head Jeff Zucker after the fake bombs were mailed out. He has dutifully executed his marching soldiers as an obedient soldier of their army.

Jordan Peterson echoing the talking points of (((George Soros))). Not the first time we’ve seen that.

UPDATE: Any doubt that he’s a gamma?

Milo – MILO, of all people – is receiving pushback from the followers of St. Jordan the Never-Sleeping because he wrote the Foreword to Jordanetics: A Journey Into the Mind of Humanity’s Greatest Thinker:

Gage Martinez
It seems like milo just doesn’t like that jordan took his place when milo stopped doing well reasoned debates and started focusing instead on being “outrageous”.

Jason Murray
i have followed you for about 2 years now. I have loved watching you tell people to screw off and being yourself. Today i will be unfollowing you. I may check on you from time to time. Reason. From the description of this book, it nothing but a hit piece on a good and honest, and yes imperfect man. I will read your forward and possibly this book. Though i doubt I’ll get to the book.

Craig Mac Corkle
You usually do have an interesting point of view, and I’m not sure that I’m understanding this one. But I’ll take a look at it. It’s just doesn’t make any sense to me but best of luck with it. Dont know Vox. But i like JBP, and the IDW. These people have amazing credentials, but aren’t infallible, or afraid of criticism. I don’t know, seems like a strange move.

William Cuddling
No one’s dismissing you out of hand. Fact is, judging from the statements you’ve made publicly about Peterson, your point of view just isn’t that interesting, so why would anyone wanna buy a book, the synopsis of which reads like an introduction to just another in a lone line of bullshit hit-pieces, just so we have the honor of reading your foreword? Personally couldn’t care less if you go after Peterson. Just sick of your whining.

Matt Malone
Theres plenty to criticize about Peterson, but Milo just seems peeved when anyone get more attention than him. Ben Shapiro has also leapfrogged Milo and rightfully so, much more thoughtful commentator… The right criticizes the left for their purity spirals where they will turn on anyone who deviates from their orthodoxy, but Milo is pretty similar. The left seems self righteous when they do it but Milo just seems petty. Overall he is deleterious to any positions he holds, and its no wonder noone wants to associate with him.

Jason Murray Alaina Toledo
I see a man that isnt afraid to admit that he doesn’t know all the answers and will concede that he is wrong when faced with evidence of such. There is nothing wrong with JBP and he doesn’t deserve to be attacked as a lair or hypocrite, when all that he is doing is trying to do is help us all to see that the world has rules, and that we should try to live by them, for the well being of the individual and though the individual, society as a whole. You should really listen to everything he has to say before drawing conclusions.

John Tangney
Vox day has always seemed like a total Muppet to me, and his criticisms of Peterson based in jealousy rather than anything substantive.

Justin Grajek
Jealous of his popularity Milo? His views are nuanced and thoughtful instead of emotion driven. I don’t think you can say the same.

Nalinne Jones
Lame. Unfollowing.

Halldór Magnússon
Milo, you are putting it up like one has to choose between you and Peterson. I am sorry but it’s an unfair competition, you lose big time which is so not necessary, you can be on the same team. If you want fewer followers then continue on this road.

Sean Grabill
So, you get neutered and you have to neuter someone else to get your revenge? You used to have important things to say and then you started crawling into the gutter with the left. It seems like you lost yourself down there and the limelight became more important than the things that used to matter. It wasn’t so long ago you were the one we were all supposed to hate, but you’ve forgotten all too soon what that was like, or maybe that’s what made you so bitter. If this is the end of your movie, cry into a $100 bill, and ride off into the sunset, have some grace. You were better than associating yourself with this garbage. Is that still in you or have they just taken the piss right out of you?

It’s funny, but all these comments sound almost identical to the comments left in response to one of my Jordanetics videos on the Darkstream. It’s really remarkable how so many people are so bitter, jealous, and envious that they are inspired to criticize St. Jordan of the Cider.