Underwhelmed by Deep Seek

Given Gemini’s obvious attempts to put a thumb on the scale, I thought it would be interesting to see how Deep Seek did when posed exactly the same questions. The results so far are inconclusive and underwhelming.

Given the average length in years of a human generation, and assuming that the Chimpanzee-Human Last Common Ancestor lived 9 million years ago, how many human generations has it been since the Chimpanzee-Human Last Common Ancestor?

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UPDATE: The version made available by Gab did better.

 The user is asking how many human generations have passed since the Chimpanzee-Human Last Common Ancestor (CHLCA), which was 9 million years ago. They mention using the average length of a human generation. Hmm, so first I need to figure out the average generation length and then divide 9 million by that number.

Wait, but what exactly is considered a generation here? Is it the average age of parents when they have offspring? I think that’s typically how generation length is defined. For humans, I remember reading that a generation is roughly 20 to 30 years. But I should verify the exact value. Maybe different sources use slightly different numbers. For example, some studies might use 25 years as an average. Let me recall. The Generation length can vary depending on the context—demographic, genetic, or historical. In population genetics, they often use 25 to 30 years. But I need to pick a standard value here. Maybe the user expects an approximate answer, so perhaps 25 years is a commonly cited average. Alternatively, if I check some references, the OECD uses 25 years for a generation, and some genetic studies use around 25-30. Let’s go with 25 years as a middle ground. So if each generation is 25 years, then the number of generations would be 9,000,000 divided by 25. 

By the way, that was significantly reduced from the original wall of text. Deep Seek really agonizes over its answers.

Scientists have measured a genetic difference between modern humans and modern chimpanzees measured in DNA base pairs. How large is that difference and how many genetic fixation events are required to account for it?

First, I remember that humans and chimpanzees share a very high percentage of their DNA, often cited as around 98-99% similarity. But the exact figure can vary depending on the study and what’s being measured. For example, some sources say 98.7%, others might say 95% when considering insertions and deletions (indels) and other structural variations. So the actual number of differing base pairs would depend on the total genome size and the percentage difference.

The human genome is roughly 3 billion base pairs long. If we take the commonly cited 1.2% difference (from the 98.8% similarity), that would be 3,000,000,000 * 0.012 = 36 million base pairs different. But wait, I need to check if that includes all types of variations or just substitutions. Because indels (insertions or deletions) can cause more significant differences. For example, a study in 2005 suggested that the actual single nucleotide substitutions account for about 1.23% difference, and when including indels, the total difference increases to around 4% or higher. But maybe more recent studies have updated these numbers.

Alternatively, the 1.2% figure is often used for single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs), while structural variations add more. However, the user specifically mentions “DNA base pairs,” which might refer to single nucleotide differences. But it’s a bit ambiguous. Let me confirm: DNA base pair differences can include substitutions, insertions, deletions. So total difference would be all those.

So to summarize:

  1. Genetic difference: ~35-40 million base pairs (considering SNPs and small indels), or higher with structural variations.
  2. Fixation events: Approximately equal to the number of differences, so ~35-40 million, as each difference is a fixation in one lineage.

However, it’s important to note that some studies might present different numbers. For example, a commonly cited figure is about 35 million single nucleotide differences and around 5 million indels, totaling 40 million. Therefore, the answer would be that the genetic difference is approximately 40 million base pairs, and around 40 million genetic fixation events are required. </Thinking>

The genetic difference between modern humans and chimpanzees, measured in DNA base pairs, is approximately 35–40 million differences when considering single nucleotide substitutions (SNPs) and small insertions/deletions (indels). This represents about 1.2–1.3% divergence in aligned sequences of the ~3 billion base pair genome. Including larger structural variations (e.g., duplications, inversions), the total divergence increases to 4–5%, but these are less often counted as individual base pair differences.

For genetic fixation events (mutations that become universal in a population), the total number required to account for these differences is roughly equivalent to the number of observed differences. This is because each divergence represents a fixation event in one lineage (human or chimpanzee) since their split from the CHLCA ~7–9 million years ago.

Summary:

  • Base pair differences: ~35–40 million (SNPs and indels).
  • Fixation events: ~35–40 million (assuming each difference arose and fixed in one lineage).

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Digging Ever Deeper

A reader who has access to the professional Gemini 1.5 AI was kind enough to ask it several of the questions concerning MITTENS that I requested from its dumbed-down public version; one thing that was interesting was that it included the actual observed distance in DNA between humans and chimpanzees, not just the protein-encoded sections of the genomes. He sent me a link to the results, a portion of which I’ve pasted here:

When you say that there is a 4 percent difference in DNA between humans and chimpanzees, approximately how many genetic fixation events are required to account for that difference?

It’s challenging to give an exact number of fixations corresponding to a 4% genetic difference between humans and chimpanzees. Here’s why:

  • Not just single base changes: The 4% difference encompasses various genetic alterations:
  • Single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs): These are single base pair changes.
    Insertions and deletions (indels): Where segments of DNA are added or removed.
    Structural variations: Larger-scale rearrangements, duplications, or losses of DNA segments.
    Varying impact: Each type of change has a different impact. A single SNP in a critical gene might have a large effect, while many SNPs in non-coding regions might have little functional consequence.
  • Unknown ancestral state: Reconstructing the exact genome of the CHLCA is difficult, making it hard to trace the precise number of changes on each lineage.

However, we can make a rough approximation:

  • Genome size: The human genome is roughly 3 billion base pairs.
  • 4% difference: This equates to 0.04 * 3,000,000,000 = 120,000,000 base pair differences.
  • If we assume, for simplicity, that most of these differences are due to single nucleotide fixations, then 120 million fixations would be a crude estimate.

Important caveats:

  • Oversimplification: This ignores indels and structural variations, which contribute significantly to the 4% difference.
  • Non-uniform distribution: Changes aren’t evenly distributed. Some regions have higher variability, while others are highly conserved.
  • Functional impact varies: Not all fixations have the same functional impact.

In conclusion: While a precise number is elusive, the 4% difference likely translates to millions of genetic changes, including fixations, indels, and structural variations. This highlights the complexity of the evolutionary process and the multitude of genetic changes contributing to the differences between humans and chimpanzees.

Given the maximum possible number of fixation events since the Chimpanzee-Human Last Common Ancestor is 204 according to your earlier reply, is it rational to assert that evolution by natural selection has accounted for 120 million fixation events in the last nine million years?

You’re right to question that! It indeed seems contradictory. Here’s why the two numbers don’t match up and what we can learn from it. The 204 fixations figure was a highly simplified calculation. It assumed:

  • A constant rate of fixation (1,600 generations per fixation).
  • Only single gene fixations, ignoring other types of genetic changes.

Why the huge discrepancy?

We underestimated the complexity of genetic change. The 4% difference between humans and chimps includes many types of changes beyond single gene fixations. Structural variations, indels, and changes in gene regulation are crucial and likely account for a large portion of the genetic divergence.

Now, what’s important here is that even as the minimum possible number of generations has been reduced from 1,600 observed for the e. coli bacteria to 64 for the Lambda virus, the genetic difference has been rising from 30 million to 120 million due to the need to account for the fixation of the full range of the observed differences in the DNA, not just those observed in protein-coding DNA.

Furthermore, my estimate of 20 years per generation was apparently too minimal, the professional AI views a standard generation as being 27.5 years. Thus, the original equation needs to be revised as follows:

CHLCA
Years: 9,000,000
Years per generation: 27.5
Generations per fixed mutation: 64
Years per fixed mutation: 1,760
Maximum fixed mutations: 5,114
Mutations required: 120,000,000
% attributable to evolution by natural selection: 0.00004 or four-thousandths of one percent.

All that switching from the bacteria to the simpler structure of the virus accomplishes is to remove one decimal point from the improbability, from one in 240,000 to one in 23,465. However, it is obviously not even possible for a genetic mutation to fix in the entire breeding human population in 27.5 years, or any faster than that. This is the hard place that none of the evolutionists feverishly attempting to find faster mutational fixation rates have realized is there; the number of generations per fixed mutation is almost certainly closer to the 8,170 suggested by the Genghis Khan heritage than the 64 observed for the Lambda virus, although it’s probably even higher than that.

But regardless, even with the faster observed fixation rate, claiming that you believe evolution by natural selection can explain the differences between chimpanzees and humans is mathematically akin to saying that you believe your friend who says he drove the 2,790 miles that separate New York City from Los Angeles in six seconds.

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One Percent of Zero

Although AI has many limitations, including the more serious ideological restraints imposed by its highly-converged creators, the requirement for it to be capable of correctly crunching numbers puts it leagues ahead of the average scientist, particularly the average biologist, in grasping the obvious fact that there is absolutely no chance that evolution by natural selection can account for more than a very small and insignificant fraction of the genetic diversity that separates one species from another.

I put a few questions on the subject to the Gemini AI and the results are completely in accordance with the logic presented in MITTENS. Notice that I did not feed it anything more than the current mid-range estimate for the date of the Chimpanzee-Human Last Common Ancestor and the fastest-ever-observed mutational fixation in a gene.


VD: Given the average length in years of a human generation, and assuming that the Chimpanzee-Human Last Common Ancestor lived 9 million years ago, how many human generations has it been since the Chimpanzee-Human Last Common Ancestor?

GEMINI AI: It has been approximately 360,000 human generations since the Chimpanzee-Human Last Common Ancestor.

If it has been 360,000 human generations since the Chimpanzee-Human Last Common Ancestor, and it takes 1,600 generations for natural selection to fixate a gene throughout the human population, what is the maximum number of genetic fixations since the Chimpanzee-Human Last Common Ancestor?

The maximum number of genetic fixations since the Chimpanzee-Human Last Common Ancestor is approximately 225. Here’s the calculation:

  • Generations since the Chimpanzee-Human Last Common Ancestor: 360,000
  • Generations per fixation: 1,600
  • Maximum fixations: 360,000 / 1,600 = 225

What is the approximate number of genetic fixations required to account for the genetic distance between modern humans and modern chimpanzees?

It’s difficult to give an exact number of genetic fixations required to account for the genetic distance between humans and chimpanzees. However, we can make some estimations:

  • Overall Genetic Difference: Humans and chimpanzees share about 98.8% of their DNA. This means there’s roughly a 1.2% difference.
  • Focusing on Single-Nucleotide Changes: Studies have estimated that there are approximately 35 million single-nucleotide differences between human and chimpanzee genomes.
  • Considering Other Changes: When you factor in indels and chromosomal rearrangements, the total number of genetic differences is likely much higher.

When you say that there is a 1.2 percent difference in DNA between humans and chimpanzees, approximately how many genetic fixation events are required to account for that difference?

To determine the approximate number of genetic fixation events required to account for a 1.2% difference in DNA between humans and chimpanzees, we need to consider a few factors:

1. Genome Size: The human genome is approximately 3 billion base pairs long.

2. Difference in DNA: A 1.2% difference means there are 3,000,000,000 * 0.012 = 36,000,000 base pair differences between humans and chimpanzees.

3. Fixation Event Size: A fixation event refers to a single mutation that becomes fixed in a population. This could involve a single base pair change or a small number of changes. For simplicity, let’s assume an average fixation event involves 100 base pairs. This is a rough estimate, as fixation events can vary in size.

4. Calculation: Divide the total number of base pair differences by the average fixation event size: 36,000,000 / 100 = 360,000

Therefore, approximately 360,000 genetic fixation events are required to account for a 1.2% difference in DNA between humans and chimpanzees, assuming an average fixation event size of 100 base pairs.

Given the maximum possible number of fixation events since the Chimpanzee-Human Last Common Ancestor is 225, is it rational to assert that evolution by natural selection has accounted for 360,000 fixation events in the last nine million years?

Given that our calculation shows a maximum possible number of 225 fixations through natural selection, it is highly improbable that 360,000 fixation events could have occurred in the last nine million years solely through this mechanism.

What is your best estimate about the specific probability, to the nearest one-tenth of one percent, that 360,000 fixation events could have occurred in the last nine million years solely through the mechanism of evolution by natural selection?

Given the vast difference between the maximum possible number of fixations through natural selection (225) and the estimated number of fixations required to account for the genetic distance between humans and chimpanzees (360,000), it is extremely unlikely that natural selection alone could account for all those fixations. Therefore, the probability that 360,000 fixation events could have occurred solely through natural selection is extremely low, essentially approaching zero for any practical purposes.


Now, notice that despite arbitrarily reducing the size of the average fixation event to one percent of the observed 36,000,000 base pair differences between modern humans and modern chimpanzees on the basis of absolutely nothing, the AI still concluded that the probability that humans could have evolved from the Chimpanzee-Human Last Common Ancestor as “essentially approaching zero for any practical purposes”. But the real probability is around one percent of approaching zero, as I asked it one further question.

What is the average size, in base pairs, of observed genetic fixation events?

It’s tricky to give a precise “average size” for genetic fixation events in base pairs because these events encompass a range of changes. For single base changes (the most common type of mutation), the average size of a fixation event is one base pair.

So, the next time someone asks you why you don’t “believe in evolution”, you can tell them that the current scientific evidence, analyzed by the latest technology, indicates that the mathematical probability of evolution is one percent of zero.

And with that, I think we’ve got the title of my next nonfiction book.

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Women in Tech Fail

The diversity crowd is going to have a tough time increasing the number of women in tech as long as the women are able to get paid more for their less-technical talents.

The draw of making content can overwhelm just about anyone. That includes a bioengineer who was working on her PhD. Last year, Zara Dar made headlines when she shot up to the 0.3% of creators on OnlyFans making content as the “hot science girl.” She was bringing in $30k a month while furthering her education at the University of Texas at Austin. A few days ago, she announced on YouTube, where she has more than 100,000 subscribers, that she had made the decision to become a PhD dropout in order to focus on creating content full-time.

The self-described “nerd with a passion for art, fitness, and reading” admitted that it was a difficult decision to make. Dar said, “I’ve dropped out of my PhD. I’ve cried so much over this decision to quit my PhD, you know, because it’s a stressful decision, not that I’m particularly sad about it… moving on to doing OnlyFans and content creation full-time, it’s not just a career choice, it feels kind of like a gamble on the direction of my entire life.”

This hot science girl is now a PhD dropout, taking her talents to the content game full-time. The draw of furthering her engineering career was strong, but not as strong as doing content. That and having her life tied to someone else’s vision while working for a company, spending her time doing things she didn’t want to do wasn’t what she wanted for herself.

It’s fascinating to observe how fast the social justice movement is destroying itself as well as every corporation, institution, and industry it touches.

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The Beginning of a Failure Cascade

This may be one of the worst technological developments for humanity since gunpowder:

This is the type of AI that all leading experts have warned us about. German defense firm Helsing has announced it will provide Ukraine with 4,000 HX-2 “Karma” kamikaze drones this month. Germany’s Defense Minister Boris Pistorius said he had been “very pleased that the delivery of these drones equipped with artificial intelligence (AI) technology is already underway.”

With a top speed of 137 mph, these drones are capable of traveling up to 62 miles and can be loaded with various warheads for maximum destruction against armored vehicles, buildings, or platoons. The company states that these drones do not need a human operator, rather, they will be programmed to “search for, re-identify, and engage targets, even without a signal or a continuous data connection.” A human operator may “stay in the loop,” per the company’s messaging, but these weapons are designed to act autonomously.

“With HX-2, we have created a new smart effector that combines mass, autonomy and precision. Individual HX-2s can reliably engage armored targets in highly contested environments. When deployed along borders at scale, HX-2 can serve as a powerful counter invasion shield against enemy land forces,” Helsing’s co-founder Niklas Köhler stated. The other co-founder, Gundbert Scherf, said that NATO in particular has been eager for this technology. On one hand, the company says that these drones will retain human oversight, but on the other hand, the entire purpose of their design is to be autonomous.

Forget all the Skynet possibilities. Begun the Hacker Wars have. The easiest and most effective way to combat AI-controlled drone swarms is by putting a backdoor in the manufacturing process and giving yourself the ability to take control of them. And the utility of these autonomous killer drones in repressing civilian populations is obvious; combined with facial recognition technology it could be used to deny any movement to persons deemed undeniable.

It is informative that while knives are being banned by governments, this sort of lethal weaponry continues to be legally developed. Of course, civilians are going to acquire it too, which should make for a very interesting arms race.

But if they’re actually being used on Russian troops, I definitely wouldn’t want to be working in a Helsing factory. Or at their corporate HQ. I can’t imagine they would not be a priority on the Russian target list.

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Whiskey Dream (Wary Eyes)

A new song for UATV subscribers, one that’s well outside my preferred genres. This one is particularly interesting, I think, because I used AI to start the lyrics, then rewrote them from the basic structure and rhymes provided. There is one audio infelicity toward the end that I can’t fix at the moment, but I will address it when the relevant bug is sorted out. And yes, the last line of the chorus was indeed inspired by Yohami.

Give me a sign, give me just one glance
Tell me there might be a chance
Before you leave this place alone
Let’s make this whiskey dream our own

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In Which I Agree with Larry Correia

Fandom Pulse quotes The International Lord of Hate’s thoughts on the use of AI in writing fiction. Or rather, the lack of utility thereof.

AI can produce a TON of vapid soulless shit, but hey, so can modern Disney! In fact, when the creator doesn’t give a shit about his art, not only does the audience feel it, the audience gets pissed off. So if you want to produce tons of unenthusiastic shit product and roll the dice hoping it somehow sticks and makes a buck, great. But if you actually give a shit about what you’re saying, then just fucking SAY IT.

The Baen Books author isn’t the only superstar to comment on the topic.

Vox Day is an epic fantasy author and AI music advocate despite writing and recording three Billboard Top 40 Club hits with his techno band in the 1990s. He told Fandom Pulse when we asked his thoughts, “The reason AI text is not a threat to authors the way AI music is a threat to musicians and AI art is a threat to artists is that the amount of vision required for a novel, or even a short story, is orders of magnitude beyond that required for a three-minute pop song or a single 1024 x 1024 image. That’s why a few words are a sufficient prompt for the song or the image, but not for even an obviously inferior short story. Unlike the other AI applications, I haven’t found the various text systems to be a useful tool for producing text of an acceptable quality.”

On tonight’s Darkstream – exclusive to UATV – I’m going to provide a sensory demonstration of what I mean by the way that AI is already a potential replacement for musicians and artists, but cannot even begin to replace authors.

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The Fursonas of UATV

Arkhaven Nights got a little out of control last night and somehow ventured into territory better left unexplored. But it was definitely interesting to see what the AI systems have gleaned concerning the personalities of three of UATV’s central characters. I was frankly impressed that the AI somehow picked up on my preference for custom Italian tailoring.

Please provide a detailed description of Jon Del Arroz’s ideal fursona.

Jon Del Arroz’s ideal fursona would likely be a confident, muscular anthropomorphic fox with vibrant red fur. This fursona would embody his strong personality, assertiveness, and passion for science fiction and fantasy. The fox would have sharp, intelligent eyes and a determined expression, reflecting Jon’s drive and ambition. It would also wear a stylish outfit, possibly incorporating elements from his favorite genres, such as a sleek spacesuit or a fantasy-inspired cloak. This fursona would serve as Jon’s alter ego, representing his ideals and beliefs in the world of furry fandom.

Please provide a detailed description of Vox Day’s ideal fursona.

Vox Day’s ideal fursona would probably be an anthropomorphic wolf, representing his fierce and assertive nature. This wolf would have a sleek, silver-grey coat, symbolizing wisdom and intelligence. It would have piercing blue eyes, reflecting Vox’s analytical and strategic thinking. The fursona would be muscular and well-built, showcasing Vox’s strength and resilience. It would wear a tailored suit, combining its natural instincts with Vox’s preference for formality and intellectualism. This fursona would embody Vox Day’s beliefs, conservative values, and love for science fiction and fantasy, making it a perfect representation of his identity within the furry community.

Please provide a detailed description of Owen Benjamin’s ideal fursona.

Owen Benjamin’s ideal fursona would likely be an anthropomorphic bear, reflecting his larger-than-life personality and comedic nature. This bear would have a fluffy, light brown coat and a friendly, approachable appearance. It would have a mischievous grin and a playful expression, mirroring Owen’s humorous style. The fursona would be slightly overweight, symbolizing Owen’s love for food and his comedic portrayal of gluttony. It would wear a comically large chef’s hat and a matching apron, showcasing Owen’s profession and his love for cooking. This fursona would represent Owen’s lightheartedness, creativity, and passion for food within the furry community.

That should keep Owen busy for the next three weeks… Anyhow, I have a new mix to debut on the Darkstream tonight. Possibly two!

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Cylons are Real

Apparently UFOs are neither aliens nor demons as so many people have theorized. They’re robots.

Canada has unveiled the first-ever image of the UFO downed during a joint US-Canada mission in February 2023. The grainy photo shows a circular, white object shot by a US Air Force F-22 fighter jet.

I’ve seen enough of the original Battlestar Galactica to know what that is. And that’s a Cylon fighter. And it’s not just a weather balloon, because weather balloons don’t move the way the former Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program director, Luis Elizondo, describes.

“Comparison, our best technology, the F-16, which is one… It’s an older platform, but one of our most highly maneuverable aircraft, manned aircraft made by General Dynamics, can perform about 17 or 18 G-forces before you start having structural failure, meaning that the airframe begins to disintegrate while you’re flying. The vehicles we’re talking about are performing in excess of 1000, 2000, 3000 Gs.”

Since we know for certain that evolution by natural selection didn’t happen because it mathematically couldn’t happen, that means that all of the historical anomalies both architectural and genetic are necessarily indicative of human history being far more complicated, and involving interaction with far more technologically advanced beings from either a) this planet, b) other planets, c) other dimensions, or d) all of the above. I consider (d) to be the most likely option, since we already know that The Empire of Lies is inhuman, evil, and spiritual in nature.

Note that the attempt to assume a false dichotomy between aliens and demons is nothing more than the intrinsic limitations of binary thinkers struggling to grasp the full scope of possibilities. And far from disproving or casting any doubt on Christianity, it supports the details of the Bible that specifically describes multiple material interactions between Adamic humanity and other creatures; the idea that spiritual creatures could successfully breed with humanity and produce the Nephilim entirely contradicts the materialist concept of evolution by natural selection or anything else, and should have been our first clue that Darwinian and neo-Darwinian theories were complete non-starters.

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History in the Making

I am awed and dumbstruck at the opportunity to witness something this significant and epic, even if it’s only on video.

Drone wars: Russian net-throwing drone intercepts Ukrainian net-throwing drone. Perhaps the first duel of its kind.

Imagine having been able to witness the first manned aerial duel during WWI. This may have been the first unmanned air duel in human history, and soon we’ll probably be able to see the first AI air combats. That’s not the only callback to WWI, as another thing to note is the terrain below, which is so cratered by shells that NASA could fake another Moon landing there.

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